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Because its impossible to stop pirating. You can take down the sites and still download stuff through XDCC. I think that's what its called..

plus there's a demand for it. I need to pirate everything that animation licenses since they only license it for NA. If it wasn't for pirating, 70% of shows of every scene would be unavailable to me.
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They are taking action just by Crunchyroll existing.

The way you beat piracy isn't by suing or making laws, it's by making what's being pirated cheap and easy to get.

Look at music: In the early 2000's music piracy was rampant. Then iTunes and Amazon came around and let you easily buy songs for a dollar each. Now music piracy rates are rather low.

You're never gonna get rid of piracy altogether, It will always exist in some form (some people refuse to spend money on anything); but low cost + ease of access will keep most people from resorting to piracy.
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To be fair, action is taken against illegal streamers and hosts, quite often in fact. But as others have pointed out, more keep popping up. I think that happens because it is usually quite easy to post illegal stuff online, and there's little apparent danger in doing so - mostly, the stuff is taken down, or you might get blacklisted from an IP, but it's fairly rare that it's taken to court and you're sued for tens of thousands of dollars.. though that does happen, too.

But also it's because people have an expectation that it should be available. Can't get it right away? Pirate it. Can't get it where you are? Pirate it. Think the boxed set is too expensive? Pirate it.

I just wish people would realize that that kind of attitude hurts more than it helps. The publishers take a monetary hit if they can't sell their product, and when that happens, they drop studios who make the anime we love. They give up on markets and product lines, rather than trying to fight the pirates, because they see just how hard / nearly impossible it is. But the publisher lives on, because they control the cashflow, and they're the last to drop, long after the people actually making the anime are tossed out into the cold.
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Piracy isn't a "problem" per se, if it vanished, no your favorite companies wouldn't magically start to prosper.

Piracy is a delicate issue that most people who just watch/play/listen may not be able to handle effectively. The number rule is don't be unrealistic.

Look at Adobe's and Microsoft's stance on piracy -- if you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't worry about.

There are reasons that people look the other way when piracy occurs, often times, the pirate cannot afford the product, which of course, means nothing for either party because you can't sell to someone who can't pay for it. So you would naturally be more compassionate for someone who wants your stuff but cannot pay for it.

Piracy isn't theft, it's not stealing because nothing was "taken", it's called "copy right infringement" because you copied it without permission, but you did not steal anything. Of course.

Another reason why piracy occurs and you would turn a blind eye is because they cannot access your software, like downloading a niche JRPG with a fan translation, the company doesn't care because they couldn't sell it to you anyway, so there's no use trying to prevent something that isn't going to bump up your bottom line.

If you are going to take the issue of piracy at a glance, of course you think that if piracy goes away, the world of intellectual property would all just be a bit more prosperous.


That is not the case. Piracy in some cases can increase sells by increasing awareness. A remake of game/movie coming up would cause most to pirate it, as it's likely not available in it's original form anymore. So if you liked that, you would start buying the series.

Minecraft creator and others in the industry, especially indie developers are more lenient on pirates, as most of the time, those hobbyists were at one point pirates themselves, so they know it's not out of ill will.



Do I condone piracy? No, I do not, I don't support piracy, but I don't support buying either. However you get your stuff is your business, I'm sure you aren't a bad person whatever you do. As for myself, I watch streamed anime if I can't buy it. If it's available in my country, I can just watch the versions on YouTube with ads by the distributor. It's not too bad, and I don't feel as bad about it. But if there is LITERALLY no other option, I don't care, and the publisher doesn't either.


Posted 11/8/14 , edited 11/8/14
piracy is not that much of problem that it needs to be combated..at least i don't think so. why is content agreement still a thing anyway. kids can market to other kids around the world just fine, right?

there should be ways around relying on these (company to company) relationships just to get your work across borders and get your royalties where it's due.

there must be a problem that's not underlined by piracy issues.
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Posted 11/8/14

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aListers wrote:

We're built on piracy. While I do think that search engines should lead to legal sites first rather than illegal sites, I don't think that we should be destroying a major source of anime for new anime fans before legal streaming becomes good enough to become a viable replacement. We still have regional licensing ruining things and the fact that we don't have anime classics on crunchyroll. Until these issues are sorted out then taking reckless action against piracy is a dangerous thing.


That is the company's fought on licensing policies. They created an unforeseen mess; therefore, it is their job to clean it up and create a new policy to fight against piracy. If they continue with their current policies, then piracy will continue to thrive on a company's weakness similar to a parasite. Classic anime, I wish Crunchyroll had some, but I believe they are limited by their income due to server upkeep and database management (Probably the highest cost).

Imagine, if piracy hits an all-time low and those who watched for free are subjected to paying to stream, then more income to support the industry.

Lastly, I hear and read the excuse of those under the age of 18 who cannot pay for streaming because they need their parent's credit card. If that is the case, then Crunchyroll can take action by creating gift card with a code.


This "unforeseen mess" has lead to the many people who are involved in western otaku culture today. If we couldn't watch the anime we watch for free then most of us would've never started watching anime in the first place. The 1 week delay also destroys any hopes of being able to talk to your fee paying friends about it because they're 1 week ahead and it's not a nice feeling to be keeping your friends back.

If we look at what would happen right now if we had no piracy then we'd see Europe not being able to see any of the shows that America has. This would result in a major culture split and probably separate communities. At the same time, many in the UK will not have seen The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya or Gurren Laggan. If I trace it back then I wouldn't've been able to see Rozen Maiden at the time and then never got into anime. At the same time it may go right back to the artist who got me into anime not seeing whatever it is that she saw that got her into anime. Do you really think our culture would've taken off if anime wasn't something that could be seen by everybody? Do you think that desu would've become a meme if certain parts of the world weren't able to watch it?

Legal streaming only recently took off. A few years ago it wouldn't've been viable to legally stream things on the internet so piracy was there to spread the medium that we know and love today. Because everybody in the internet saw them and liked them, they became popular.

Even if we get rid of piracy right now it would have disastrous effects on the community. I'm already annoyed that this is the only season since I started paying that crunchyroll has managed to get all the shows that I wanted.

Piracy is not a bad thing - it's a gateway into what we have today. It includes people and when they grow to love the medium then they'll be introduced to things such as crunchroll and start paying. I bought my subscription because I wanted to support the anime industry - not because I thought that piracy was a bad thing. In fact, many people in the UK switch between them both so that we are supporting the industry and get to actually see what we want. I usually encourage people to watch things on crunchroll - despite having doubts about whever or not it is morally right to. Even then I'd prioritise that people need to be able to enjoy the shows that they enjoy. It's not like pirates aren't contributing because they buy merchandise or DVDs and stuff like that. There are just too many limitations on legal streaming to make it a viable replacement and, if it was legal from the start, then it would never have kicked off.
Posted 11/8/14
Question should be, why would that be necessary?
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right now crunchyroll doesn't have shaman king, that shit was made a decade ago.. why cant i watch it if a file was uploaded years ago.

they are not making any money right now, so why not just let companies like cr publish them. if someone truly enjoys anime $40 a year is nothing to enjoy it in 420p-1080p instead of the blury bs you get when you "pirate it"
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Posted 11/8/14

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What is illegal? And what is p2p?


back in the day p2p ment 'peer to peer' or early versions of torrents. naptster, GNUtella, ect. i feel old.
does anyone rememver napster back when it was free before it became illegal?
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onibrotonel wrote:

What is illegal? And what is p2p?


back in the day p2p ment 'peer to peer' or early versions of torrents. naptster, GNUtella, ect. i feel old.
does anyone rememver napster back when it was free before it became illegal?

I remember. But I did not have any computer back then. Neither an internet. And I'm sure there were not much quality songs back then to download.
Who wants to download a Hillary duff album anyway?

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It would cost more in the long run to hire the necessary amount of people for the necessary amount of hours to hunt down and serve DMCA notices to the hundreds of websites out there that are dedicated to streaming anime illegally, not to mention the various file host type websites and torrents. Even if they were to get all of them to somehow shut down it would be a matter of hours before more would replace them, it's simply a losing battle. Why do you think the RIAA and MPAA have calmed down compared to around 10 years ago?

It would be different if there were more free/inexpensive legal streaming sites around that had even half the catalog the majority of the illegal sites do, but until that happens piracy will continue to be the preferred option for most people. As much as I prefer watching anything that's available on Crunchyroll, Netflix, Hulu, etc. if something's not available and I can't afford the DVD's or Blu Rays (I usually can't) then I'm "forced" to watch it elsewhere. That being said, I never download anything simply because I know if I do I most likely won't buy the DVD/BD later.

Edit: Didn't notice there was already a second page before I started typing this and Magical-Soul and aListers posts are, as far as I'm concerned, pretty much the perfect way to sum this subject up. While the points they bring up never occur to me when this topic comes up, it's also true for me that illegal streaming sites are largely what got me into anime, or at least beyond what was available on Toonami/Adult Swim. If it wasn't for a an old site called Zomganime (it's no longer around), I never would have watched Toradora, Kodomo no Jikan, or The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and learned that there was a far greater selection of anime out there than the typical action series I'd grown up watching.

Also in regards to p2p... I thought basically everyone knew it meant peer-to-peer by now... granted I've been on the internet on a regular basis since around 2002 and my various clan/guild mates over the years taught me about different things like that so maybe it's just me...
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Posted 11/11/14

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They are taking action just by Crunchyroll existing.

The way you beat piracy isn't by suing or making laws, it's by making what's being pirated cheap and easy to get.

Look at music: In the early 2000's music piracy was rampant. Then iTunes and Amazon came around and let you easily buy songs for a dollar each. Now music piracy rates are rather low.

You're never gonna get rid of piracy altogether, It will always exist in some form (some people refuse to spend money on anything); but low cost + ease of access will keep most people from resorting to piracy.


Round of applause.

It's the same reason why Steam exists; to beat video game piracy, offer gamers a better service than the pirates.

I don't think there's much one can do to stop illegal streaming websites and torrent, but the least we can do is recommand stuff like Crunchyroll whenever possible. If you want to recommand an anime, link to CR right away.
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Piracy isn't a "problem" per se, if it vanished, no your favorite companies wouldn't magically start to prosper.

Piracy is a delicate issue that most people who just watch/play/listen may not be able to handle effectively. The number rule is don't be unrealistic.

Look at Adobe's and Microsoft's stance on piracy -- if you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't worry about.

There are reasons that people look the other way when piracy occurs, often times, the pirate cannot afford the product, which of course, means nothing for either party because you can't sell to someone who can't pay for it. So you would naturally be more compassionate for someone who wants your stuff but cannot pay for it.

Piracy isn't theft, it's not stealing because nothing was "taken", it's called "copy right infringement" because you copied it without permission, but you did not steal anything. Of course.

Another reason why piracy occurs and you would turn a blind eye is because they cannot access your software, like downloading a niche JRPG with a fan translation, the company doesn't care because they couldn't sell it to you anyway, so there's no use trying to prevent something that isn't going to bump up your bottom line.

If you are going to take the issue of piracy at a glance, of course you think that if piracy goes away, the world of intellectual property would all just be a bit more prosperous.


That is not the case. Piracy in some cases can increase sells by increasing awareness. A remake of game/movie coming up would cause most to pirate it, as it's likely not available in it's original form anymore. So if you liked that, you would start buying the series.

Minecraft creator and others in the industry, especially indie developers are more lenient on pirates, as most of the time, those hobbyists were at one point pirates themselves, so they know it's not out of ill will.



Do I condone piracy? No, I do not, I don't support piracy, but I don't support buying either. However you get your stuff is your business, I'm sure you aren't a bad person whatever you do. As for myself, I watch streamed anime if I can't buy it. If it's available in my country, I can just watch the versions on YouTube with ads by the distributor. It's not too bad, and I don't feel as bad about it. But if there is LITERALLY no other option, I don't care, and the publisher doesn't either.



Such a beautiful response.. It makes my heart flutter... :P

The other thing is that bootlegs/piracy acts as kind of a shadow arm of free market capitalism. If things aren't overpriced, there aren't likely to be copied or stolen. People *ARE* willing to pay a fair price, and always have been. That's why this site succeeds, netflix succeeds, any paid music download site like itunes and amazon succeeds.. it's just when things go over a certain price threshold, the stealing starts to happen.
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Posted 11/11/14

aListers wrote:
Do you think that desu would've become a meme if certain parts of the world weren't able to watch it?



Good point, without fansubbers long ago, 4chan would not exist. DOWN WITH FANSUBBERS!!!

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Posted 11/11/14
As Makoto said, it happens all the time. Its just new ones pop up in their place. Such is the nature of a large population, and fan demand remains high so it'll remain as long as there is a need or profit to be made.
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