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Post Reply Why no Action against Pirated Anime Streaming?
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They are taking action just by Crunchyroll existing.

The way you beat piracy isn't by suing or making laws, it's by making what's being pirated cheap and easy to get.

Look at music: In the early 2000's music piracy was rampant. Then iTunes and Amazon came around and let you easily buy songs for a dollar each. Now music piracy rates are rather low.

You're never gonna get rid of piracy altogether, It will always exist in some form (some people refuse to spend money on anything); but low cost + ease of access will keep most people from resorting to piracy.


1. CR was originally THE site that streamed fansubbed (and hence illegal) content. They reformed, but it IS their past.

2. CD's cost about 25-35 bucks a pop when itunes came out. It wasn't because it offered downloads. It offered higher quality downloads than what could be purchased anywhere else at 1/3rd the price... And you could still burn them to disks. (for people who actually like to own copies of their files, that's important).

I agree with you, just want to add those bits.
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It's like childporn it's illegal but it's there and will never go away. I'm not saying people who illegally watch anime are pedos but it's still illegal. Both are scumbags though...
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Posted 11/11/14 , edited 11/11/14

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Piracy isn't a "problem" per se, if it vanished, no your favorite companies wouldn't magically start to prosper.

Piracy is a delicate issue that most people who just watch/play/listen may not be able to handle effectively. The number rule is don't be unrealistic.

Look at Adobe's and Microsoft's stance on piracy -- if you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't worry about.

There are reasons that people look the other way when piracy occurs, often times, the pirate cannot afford the product, which of course, means nothing for either party because you can't sell to someone who can't pay for it. So you would naturally be more compassionate for someone who wants your stuff but cannot pay for it.

Piracy isn't theft, it's not stealing because nothing was "taken", it's called "copy right infringement" because you copied it without permission, but you did not steal anything. Of course.

Another reason why piracy occurs and you would turn a blind eye is because they cannot access your software, like downloading a niche JRPG with a fan translation, the company doesn't care because they couldn't sell it to you anyway, so there's no use trying to prevent something that isn't going to bump up your bottom line.

If you are going to take the issue of piracy at a glance, of course you think that if piracy goes away, the world of intellectual property would all just be a bit more prosperous.


That is not the case. Piracy in some cases can increase sells by increasing awareness. A remake of game/movie coming up would cause most to pirate it, as it's likely not available in it's original form anymore. So if you liked that, you would start buying the series.

Minecraft creator and others in the industry, especially indie developers are more lenient on pirates, as most of the time, those hobbyists were at one point pirates themselves, so they know it's not out of ill will.



Do I condone piracy? No, I do not, I don't support piracy, but I don't support buying either. However you get your stuff is your business, I'm sure you aren't a bad person whatever you do. As for myself, I watch streamed anime if I can't buy it. If it's available in my country, I can just watch the versions on YouTube with ads by the distributor. It's not too bad, and I don't feel as bad about it. But if there is LITERALLY no other option, I don't care, and the publisher doesn't either.



Such a beautiful response.. It makes my heart flutter... :P

The other thing is that bootlegs/piracy acts as kind of a shadow arm of free market capitalism. If things aren't overpriced, there aren't likely to be copied or stolen. People *ARE* willing to pay a fair price, and always have been. That's why this site succeeds, netflix succeeds, any paid music download site like itunes and amazon succeeds.. it's just when things go over a certain price threshold, the stealing starts to happen.


Great responses!

Also, copyright infringement prohibits users from profiting from intellectual property not belonging to them, however, use for educational/ reviewing purposes is allowed. Viewing the content first is essential to both these caveats, and that is why most sites are not taken down unless there are ads littering the premises (or any other money-making tactic) of the copyright protected content. The reason the guy from mega-upload has legal issues is because he was making a ridiculous amount of money from the content on his site.
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I'm pretty sure only torrenting the American owned versions are against the law. There really is nothing Japan companies can do to an American citizen if they torrent their material and subtitle it. They can request the United States government to take action against you, but that is a lot of effort. Now, if you torrent English dubbed versions owned by American companies you could get in as much trouble as torrenting a movie. But, really, Japanese government officials can't just waltz into your house and take you back to Japan or issue financial penalties against you unless they go through United States government first. It's possible, but highly unlikely.
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Khaltazar wrote:

I'm pretty sure only torrenting the American owned versions are against the law. There really is nothing Japan companies can do to an American citizen if they torrent their material and subtitle it. They can request the United States government to take action against you, but that is a lot of effort. Now, if you torrent English dubbed versions owned by American companies you could get in as much trouble as torrenting a movie. But, really, Japanese government officials can't just waltz into your house and take you back to Japan or issue financial penalties against you unless they go through United States government first. It's possible, but highly unlikely.




A fansub group last year did get DDoS'd by the japanese for subbing their content, but I don't think I've ever seen japanese companies actually take legal action against any fansubbers.
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Posted 1/18/15 , edited 1/18/15
i'm here in crunchyroll today because i found about anime through pirate sites.
may be where you live, anime and related industry material is common but not so here.
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There are much more serious crimes that need more attention.
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Posted 1/18/15 , edited 1/18/15
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention....

Eliminating pirated anime streaming eliminates more than half of the anime community. Anime has a surprisingly large community internationally and most of them pirate anime for many reasons. Literally everyone I know in real life who watches anime doesn't do so using legal sites. These "illegal" sites allow you watch in 720- 1080p for free without any ads which is why they're more popular. People hate ads.
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There is one reason piracy won't go away anytime soon. Unavailability.

I'll give one clear example. Here's a list of currently running shows I'm following and Crunchy happens to stream, selected because they all fit a certain criteria;

Kamisama Hjimemashita
Unlimited Fafnir
Dog Days"
Yowamushi
Koufuku Graffiti
Absolute Duo
Yurikuma Arashi

And what is the criteria you ask? Well,it's;...

Sorry, due to licensing limitations, videos are unavailable in your region.

So you see, even if I wanted to watch those legally, most of the time there wouldn't simply exist an avenue for it, so the 'dark' side becomes the default.

As it is, it's pretty pointless (I'm seeing the shows regardless), and the real irony of it all is that the versions I see of most of those episodes will literally be the same ones available on here.
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I think it's mostly because anime companies aren't really that big or wealthy, so they don't really have the resources to go after every site streaming anime illegally, it's more productive to work on providing a better service to the public, like crunchyroll.
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Posted 1/18/15 , edited 1/18/15
It's possible for fansubbed anime to find its home in the deep web. Pirated anime can also be sold in the streets of foreign countries for barely a dollar each.
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jeffcoatstephen wrote:

It's like childporn it's illegal but it's there and will never go away. I'm not saying people who illegally watch anime are pedos but it's still illegal. Both are scumbags though...


"scumbags"?Can you honestly say you've never watched an anime through illegal download or streaming?You know, even watching a youtube clip not authorized by the company is "illegal".


I feel better when I watch stuff on Netflix,Hulu, Crunchyroll on a paid account, but some stuff just isn't obtainable especially in the US without illegal downloads. One of my favorite series Fist of the North Star was nearly impossible to find legally with subs. I was such a fan, I would have paid hundreds for a box set. Another recent series I watched and loved called Monster isn't streamed anywhere and amazon only sells the first half of the series. Its very hard to not watch something because you can't find it legally and if it can't make money for the creators, at least by me watching it they'll have a new fan.
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Action is being taken, it's just not always the most helpful and ethical sort of action. Historically there has been way too much focus on the stick and not enough on the carrot, with emphasis being placed on DRM technologies which are an inconvenience at best and can seriously compromise peoples' privacy and security at worst, forcing internet providers to draft shady contracts with ridiculous arbitration standards, using programs to blanket submit DMCA claims whether they're merited or not, and so on. What really needs to happen is focus needs to shift to the carrot, incentives to obtain content from legitimate sources. Providing ad-supported, freely accessible streaming is a great example of a carrot approach, and I'd like to see that approach expanded.
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I use to be one of those scumbags until I got myself a job. Now I watch all my anime legally and buy my collections even if I have to pay hundreds for a complete collection. Now if something isn't streamed in the US legally I just won't watch it even if it was on my watch list. Amagi Brilliant Park is an example. I also rarely use Youtube. If I do it's through my subscribe list which has legally streamed anime clips. My account is old so I do have amvs from the past I watched but I won't watch them anymore. I do my damnest to support anime companies, voice actors, ect. I'll never support an illegal anime site or illegal fan translators ever again.
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because no one really cares in the end
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