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U.S. Immigration issues
Posted 11/10/14 , edited 11/10/14
Send this to extended discussion. People there know how to discuss. This is just sad. 51 states? my jesus.
Posted 11/10/14

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Why wouldn't I be able to travel or live in any of the 51 states of my country? I can go anywhere that belongs to US but I can certainly not live anywhere in Canada or Brazil without immigration paper work and laws.



I didn't say you couldn't travel in your country, the point I'm making is that you can jump on a plane or train and travel for hours and still be within your country's borders. Each state differs in culture.

In Europe we can travel the same distance and be able to move about freely including living there. It just so happens that we have different countries instead of states.


I still don't get why you compare the states of US (a country) with the countries of a continent (Europe), that's why I saw your response as a joke...I didn't know that distance and size was the answer to my question.

So you're saying that America is big that's why we have these immigration laws and that Europe compared to America is small and there are no immigration laws for Europeans in Europe because of it? now that makes sense...sort of... I will have to ask my European friend why she can live anywhere she wants. She used to live in Switzerland for a while, then moved to England and sometimes stays in her homeland (France) freely.
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Posted 11/10/14

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I still don't get why you compare the states of US (a country) with the countries of a continent (Europe), that's why I saw your response as a joke...I didn't know that distance and size was the answer to my question.

So you're saying that America is big that's why we have these immigration laws and that Europe compared to America is small and there are no immigration laws for Europeans in Europe because of it? now that makes sense...sort of... I will have to ask my European friend why she can live anywhere she wants. She used to live in Switzerland for a while, then moved to England and sometimes stays in her homeland (France) freely.


We do have immigration laws. We can live anywhere within the European Union (27/28 countries). Part of the reason it was formed was because they realised the each country was too small to keep up a global appearance on their own. Europe is one of the smallest continents on earth and roughly half of the European countries make up the European union. The other half doesn't get to travel and live as freely as those within the European Union. The US wasn't always one country either.
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Posted 11/10/14 , edited 11/10/14
You can't "Secure the borders" because, frankly, supply and demand. The entire rhetoric of building walls, moats, armed guards, etc etc to secure the borders because terrorists and stealing your jerbs is silly.

America has a demand for illegal immigrants. Whether it wants to admit it or not. As long as you have employers that employ illegal immigrants ( mainly because they can treat them like sub-human wage slaves. Even more so than regular Americans anyway. ) you will have illegal immigration. They wouldn't be crossing the border if there wasn't something worth the risk of crossing that border for. Its not an issue that can be solved by some idjits in Arizona that want to build a wall with an alligator pit.

But most American politicians are not interested in solving problems. Only political masturbation in front of voters while a lobbyist tenderly slips $100 bills down the crack of their ass. -.-

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i feel that they should legalize those who are already here and put our armed forces along the border so to stop the illegal in flow of immigrants which by the way,face hazards by the smugglers or coyotes and the weather conditions.there is a legal way to come in to this country.
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I got to discuss about this in my class and another student raised a very thought-provoking question

Americans like to say that their jobs are being taken by illegal immigrants and things so if all the illegal immigrants got deported and their job position like toilet cleaners, working in land fills, and other heavy manual labor jobs that most illegal immigrants ended up having all freed up will the American still accept the job ? Most of the jobs that these illegal immigrants got are all like in the bottom of the ladder job that pays horribly and with terrible work conditions. I think part of the reason why these jobs are taken by illegal immigrants in the first place is because most ppl in US is desperate enough to do them while the illegal immigrants are desperate enough.
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Posted 11/11/14 , edited 11/11/14

Steffiekun wrote:

I got to discuss about this in my class and another student raised a very thought-provoking question

Americans like to say that their jobs are being taken by illegal immigrants and things so if all the illegal immigrants got deported and their job position like toilet cleaners, working in land fills, and other heavy manual labor jobs that most illegal immigrants ended up having all freed up will the American still accept the job ? Most of the jobs that these illegal immigrants got are all like in the bottom of the ladder job that pays horribly and with terrible work conditions. I think part of the reason why these jobs are taken by illegal immigrants in the first place is because most ppl in US is desperate enough to do them while the illegal immigrants are desperate enough.


That's an old question. Yes, there are some americans that probably would. Times are desperate right now, and people are accepting some crazy stupid jobs with high levels of work and/or danger and low levels of pay.

If times were better? Hell no! No one wants to do those jobs for that cheap. That's why we ship our manufacturing jobs, etc. overseas. What is a pittance here is damned good wages there, and they lack the regulations and are indeed desperate enough to do it. The immigrant jobs here are for the crap jobs here that we CAN'T ship overseas...
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Posted 11/11/14 , edited 11/11/14
I see immigration in several shades of grey rather than a black/white issue. My takes on the issue:

-Those who GRADUATE from our colleges and/or serve honorably in our military: should be allowed to become legal.

-MINORS looking for refugee: should be granted asylum.

-Criminals using USA as a ground for contraband; OUT.

-People coming to the USA to have kids (anchor babies): on case to case basis.

-Those who pay taxes and contribute to the system (about 34% of illegals); should be allowed to become legal.

-Companies abusing employees on work visas: should be heavily penalized.

-Employers who employ illegals without an ITIN: should be heavily penalized.

I also think that becoming legal should be a cheaper process for those who had paid enough taxes into the system; an illegal can pay taxes using an ITIN. Where I live, many accountants and places like HR Block assist people with ITIN and several credit unions can use the ITIN in lieu of a SSN for people to open bank accounts and obtaining mortgages.


ITIN: Individual Tax Identification Number. More on ITIN:http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Individual-Taxpayer-Identification-Number-(ITIN)
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Posted 11/18/14
Illegal immigration is an issue for two types of people thats it. One is the illegal immigrants themselves. Two, minimum wage workers or unskilled laborers US citizens. The biggest complaint with it is supply of minimum wage jobs and competition for them. Who do you want to hire a spoiled lazy ass American who fucked up in school or some courageous Pedro who travelled away from the most violent and poor country in the world and is working to make a living. Yeah... if you go to college or plan on going to college you don't need to worry about that. the only one with the problem on that issue is for a select few blue collar turds
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