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Post Reply The gall of some fansubbers
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Posted 11/10/14 , edited 11/10/14
(About a certain fansub group) I'm laughing, laughing, and... Well, that pisses me off. You guys, and Funimation, and others, put a lot of effort into licensing and translating and subbing a series, and not only do these morons go and claim that work as their own, but they also have the gall to ask for "donations" to aid their "subbing".

Is there nothing CR can do about these kinds of people? Can they not get their site shut down, or the people responsible arrested? Profiting off piracy is even worse than the actual piracy. And surely even more illegal.
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Posted 11/10/14 , edited 11/10/14
As far as fansubs go, if it was as simple as just 'shutting them down' I'm sure it would've been done a long time ago.
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Posted 11/10/14 , edited 1/15/15
While CR supports legal streaming now, it would be something more than just a repudiation of its past to encourage or pursue legal actions against such groups. . .
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Hi, folks,

Sorry for the edits, but linking to / using the names of those fansub groups is against the rules.. probably because it drives traffic to them, and they really do have the gall to ask for donations while posting their stuff. Some really do just copy streams from CR or Funi as well, which makes things even worse.

The legal aspects get.. tricky, to say the least

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Posted 11/10/14 , edited 11/10/14
In certain places around the world, Crunchyroll has several region locks. I'm not sure about Funimation because they upload full episodes on YouTube as well. Some people resort to 3rd party websites to view the media. It can't be helped.

Besides, if you removed a certain fansub group, more groups will sprout out to take its place.
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Posted 11/10/14
Without these "illegal" sites anime wouldn't be as relevant in Western culture/media.
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Posted 1/14/15 , edited 1/15/15
I agree with the guy above. Anime would not be as popular if it were not for the help of earlier fansubbers. Frankly, I'll use fansubbed episodes for screencapping, though mainly unlicensed series. I know the moral implications of piracy, but at the same time, it's so very convenient, and once again, even if it's for screencapping, I know it's illegal. Nonetheless, it's not as if I don't feel guilt. Some fansubbers actually do subtitle and translate their own content, believe it or not, and the only reason they have donation pages is because otherwise they wouldn't get paid jack shit. For any of the work they do.

Meh, to each their own. I've been pirating from since before I knew it was illegal. I'm not going to say I encourage it, but there's nothing that really bothers me about it to say that people should stop, either. I'm a part of them, regretfully so, but that in my opinion doesn't make me bottom feeding scum. I'm just starting to drive, spent a lot of money on figures recently. I think I've supported the anime industry enough for now. Plus, there's not enough interesting anime to watch anymore, for me, that is worth paying for a subscription to a service. Most licensers only acquire one or two titles I actually give a shit about.

And the true fact is, nobody is ever going to be able to eradicate those who illegally distribute copyrighted content, you can sure try, IIRC HorribleSubs got DDoS'd by the JP government last year, but from the ashes of a single fansub site, two or three more will arise. Same goes for filehosting sites and torrent clients.

Even those with plentiful money or decent resources pirate. My father knows piracy and he doesn't very much condone me pirating, but he himself is totally willing to use his torrent client if he is too lazy to buy something. We live in a world where we want things immediately after they come out, and piracy has made that option more accessible.
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animegirl2222 wrote:

I agree with the guy above. Anime would not be as popular if it were not for the help of earlier fansubbers.


Just think. It was all VHS tapes circulated by hand and mail in the beginning.

The North American anime industry may well owe its very existence to piracy, and aside from the *ahem* terrible ones most legit fansub groups stop distributing once a work is licensed (though the ever-amusing "Not for sale, rent, or ebay!" messages have disappeared), piracy is these days more of a threat to the industry than a boon.

Now if everyone just stopped sharing once a work was licensed, that'd be a different story, at least for the markets outside Japan. But of course, that doesn't happen...
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evilotakuneko wrote:


animegirl2222 wrote:

I agree with the guy above. Anime would not be as popular if it were not for the help of earlier fansubbers.


Just think. It was all VHS tapes circulated by hand and mail in the beginning.

The North American anime industry may well owe its very existence to piracy, and aside from the *ahem* terrible ones most legit fansub groups stop distributing once a work is licensed (though the ever-amusing "Not for sale, rent, or ebay!" messages have disappeared), piracy is these days more of a threat to the industry than a boon.

Now if everyone just stopped sharing once a work was licensed, that'd be a different story, at least for the markets outside Japan. But of course, that doesn't happen...


I still have my bootleg VHS of Nausicaa........Thanks for making me feel old.
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i for one perfer the fansubs. in translating a japanese manga, with the offical CR manga and an scanlation group manga, the CR took too many liberites for my taste.

but whatever. id be pissed that they used shoddy work and called it their own.
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Just my thoughts, but if feel like if the official sub companies make watching their anime more readily available, it would cut down on people flocking to fan subs. If I can watch something legally, I pick that option first even if I have to watch some commercials as a pay off.

As nice as it is for companies like Funimation to put up the first few episodes of anime on YouTube, once people run out of material to watch they generally automatically run to pirate it instead of buying the DVDs.Though making people want to buy their product through getting people hooked isn't a terrible strategy, they also lose money from people deciding to pirate instead. Even if making money off of ads on YouTube probably isn't all that profitable, at least it's something.

I think there's some quote out there about deciding between doing either what's right or what's easy, and that solution fulfills both. If it would solve the big problem though, that would be something we'd have to wait and see.
Posted 1/14/15 , edited 1/14/15
Hell I'll give them $20 bucks just cause I think the region thing is profoundly stupid.
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Yeah, a certain fansubbing group that I used to work with asked for donations too....
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The problem with streaming services that are not youtube is that they are slower. No one wants bad quality, either, but the main point is that the video players for some streaming service sites are crap. I actually don't watch general streaming services for my American shows on anything other than my Apple TV, tbh.

alternatively, people have very slow internet speeds that can't handle the stream, so piracy is their best alternative, unless they reduce the quality to a dismal 240p.

As I said, no licensers ever acquire a ton of titles I'm actually interested in, and if they do, they don't do anything with them.

Hyouka supposedly got a license - but no news on a release in the states, so I went ahead and pirated the whole damned series from Mazui and Commie and capped it. Ain't no need waiting for a series that's licensed by a bunch of deadbeats who won't do jack shit with it.

I personally think by not donating to either side, I stand neutrally monetary wise. I've not contributed to the fansub pool nor the legal pool.

I'm saving my money. Maybe when I have more income and finally get a job, I'll actually feel like spending it.
Though what has held me back overall? I'm extremely wary of buying things online, or revealing my CC # online. Paranoia and all that, I'm pretty smart computer wise but I have had scares in the past. I've just mainly ordered from Amazon. More I hear about online scamming, the more I recoil from online spending unless it is not an option - or a more optimal option, I can't order pizza over the phone without stuttering, so I'd rather not sound like a fool on a phone call and just order that online, but anything besides food, Amazon, and a couple clothing sites I've deemed trustworthy? Nahhh.
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Posted 1/14/15
I really enjoy TeamFourStars' fansubs a.k.a. abridged animes.
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