Do we (America) Just Hate Castro Just Because?
Posted 11/14/14
So, I was reading up on Nelson Mandela, who praised Castro, while in my country everyone is taught at birth to despise him. Do we hate him just because, or is there a reasonable basis? I mean, Cuba is no North Korea.
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Posted 11/14/14
I don't really have a strong opinion about him, but I know that some people Love him, while other hate him.
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Posted 11/14/14
Read some more.
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Posted 11/14/14
I don't think it matters as much these days, and I don't understand why we have trade embargos still with Cuba. A lot of that had to do with him putting in a socialist regime basically he was a dictator but under the socialist umbrella like Mao, Stalin, etc...) I'm not saying that he was completely evil nor was he completely benign. (side note, the education levels in cuba are amazing. they have greater literacy and such than the US, and though it's a poor country, they have a decent-ish economy). but at the time, we were in the beginnings of a cold war with the USSR (now Russia and some of the other nations of asia), and we painted it all as a very us vs. them thing. Hell, EVERYTHING was an us versus them thing. They sent up a satellite into space for a few minutes, we sent a person to the god damned moon just to show them we were better. (and to claim space supremacy/ownership)

We honestly didn't mind it much when the "battlefield" was in eastern Europe, or Korea or Vietnam (Korea and Vietnam were against the "Commies" as well) but when it was literally in our back yard.... We flipped our shit. (remember reading about the Cuban Missile Crisis under Kennedy or The Bay of Pigs Invasion? Cuba and Castro). To us this meant that that a soviet attack was imminent.

During the late 80's though, the nuclear arms race between the US and USSR had reached a point where we pretty much agreed that we could blow up the world in a giant nuclear mushroom cloud (and it came close. a computer error pushed us to the point where they were 8 seconds away from pushing the button... and then that was followed by us giving them better software so there wouldn't BE glitches... >.>) and then it all kinda collapsed. The berlin wall fell, the eastern bloc became democratic republics, borders got redrawn and the USSR finally collapsed. War was pretty much over...

EXCEPT... North Korea is still militant as ever, ruled under a dictator, and there's a giant no man's land between the two countries. China is communist as ever, although, to be honest, they're not really communist, but I'd probably put them at being similar to the USSR during the late 80's. Castro only recently died, and I believe Cuba is still communist. The middle east is a clusterfuck because both us and the USSR decided to screw around there in the post WWII years. Created Israel, pissed off the islamics, created a never ending war of religion. Funded terrorists to help us fight the soviet funded terrorists, now they're all just religious terrorists. Vietnam..... ehhhhhhh.... It's socialist, but it's better than other places...

Castro... well, like I said, I don't know what our issue is now with cuba, but I believe Castro's dead, and considering how close the country is to us, and the fact that we regularly do business with our former enemies like the vietnamese, the chinese, the russians, etc....

Hell if I know.

BTW, this is just kind of a brief informal recap of what remember learning as I grew up. being born in 81' I kinda remember the whole berlin wall thing vaguely and some of the tail end of the cold war. It was interesting to say the least. I'm sure others can probably fill you in better than I but this is an extended discussion topic, and so far nobody's been able to give a long, decent answer so...
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Posted 11/14/14
Castro rose to power as a result of the Batista regime's brutal oppression of the Cuban people and the wholesale robbery of its resources on the part of opportunistic private corporations and criminal organizations. Unfortunately, Castro was just as much of a shamelessly brutal and selfish despot.

It's a sad waste, too. Batista was once the man who rallied Cuba to fight the Fascists in Europe and advanced labor rights. Too bad he was a power hungry asshole, and too bad another power hungry asshole deposed him.
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Posted 11/15/14
He's hated basically because he sided with Russia and set up a Communist regime in the USA's back yard almost. He's not the boogeyman he used to be though when Communism was the big fear now that job is given to Islamic extremists the same type which the US were backing back when they were afraid of Communism ruling the Middle East. Castro did a lot of good things in Cuba everyone was given the things they needed to live even Gaddafi another who was called a dictator did many good things in Libya before being brutally destroyed by Islamic extremists with the support of the west.

North Korea and China are another matter entirely the former really is a crazy dictatorship that managed to make one family into god like figures over a couple of generations. The US and Russia have a lot to answer for on that front. China isn't Communist now since they opened up trade among other things but they still oppress and brainwash their own people and censor things like the internet.
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Posted 11/15/14 , edited 11/15/14

MrMoondoggie wrote:

He's hated basically because he sided with Russia and set up a Communist regime in the USA's back yard almost. He's not the boogeyman he used to be though when Communism was the big fear now that job is given to Islamic extremists the same type which the US were backing back when they were afraid of Communism ruling the Middle East. Castro did a lot of good things in Cuba everyone was given the things they needed to live even Gaddafi another who was called a dictator did many good things in Libya before being brutally destroyed by Islamic extremists with the support of the west.

North Korea and China are another matter entirely the former really is a crazy dictatorship that managed to make one family into god like figures over a couple of generations. The US and Russia have a lot to answer for on that front. China isn't Communist now since they opened up trade among other things but they still oppress and brainwash their own people and censor things like the internet.


On the one hand, it's true that Castro's progressive reforms did a lot to improve standards of living for Cubans. They became better educated, obtained better public health standards, plenty of good things were happening. However, I can't help but feel you're glossing over the fact that the Castro regime established a secret police which kept tabs on every Cuban neighborhood to ensure that "counter-revolutionary" elements (that is, anyone who disliked Castro to any extent whatsoever or had dealings with politically inconvenient foreign entities) were quickly detected and executed and also the brutal political purging which took place as Castro solidified his power.

Castro did not establish and maintain his power by his public works alone. He drove a jackboot into the throat of the Cuban people while he provided those public works, which is how successful dictatorships generally work in practice. They point a gun at you and hand you some food, and as long as the food keeps coming you just start getting used to the gun.
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Posted 11/18/14
He's sat on America's doorstep since 1959 thumbing his nose.
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