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What makes anime stand out for you?
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Posted 11/14/14
What makes anime its own genre in your mind?

It just struck me recently that there's nothing really "different" about it for me than the fact that it's animated.

maybe it's partially because of globalization that it just doesn't have the "differentness" to me that it once had. With american companies once again doing more adult titles in animation, (adult swim is a great testament to this and the first to come to mind, same with the avatar series), and with adaptations of anime titles as k-dramas, or japanese and korean fils being "remade" for the US or even enjoying a spotlight on big screen, this is partially the case.(oldboy, DBZ [admittedly it sucked but still.. and there was a recent Tom Cruise film based off of a relatively obscure manga as well)

These things start to strip away the veneer of the "japanese-ness" of the "genre". I also see less specifically overtly "japanese" titles. The last historical fiction one I remember was Shigurui. most titles seem to be fantasy or scifi or slice of life, or horror, but nothing that says that an american couldn't write something similar.

With comics in the US making a splash both on the big screen and small screen, the way comics and manga originally seemed to be almost a genre in and of themselves (the media as a genre) seems hard to argue as well. the stories that might have only been able to appear in one medium now appearing in many forms seems to indicate that the stories are now in and of themselves free of their artistic constrains.... And this goes for anime as well...

So when I look at anime, it's hard to classify it as something separate, rather than just another medium.

What are your thoughts? What still keeps anime anime and not just animated scifi or animated horror, etc...

Do you watch or read the same genres of anime that you are fans of created in your own country/culture?
Posted 11/14/14 , edited 11/14/14
the character relate to you. its also not your everyday kind of cartoon that plays just for comedic purposes. The music, the scenes, and the dialogue all fit in and have meaning. Some of the shows will stick with you, because the characters played a big role in your life, or you may have the same problem as they did. Even slice of life shows are unique in each way, because every time you watch one, you just end up with a big dumb smile on your face. Hell, even certain animes convey a better emotion to the audience then certain movies. All in all, anime just has a certain feeling that you might not get if you watch other shows or movies.

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the theme that makes anime anime would be the "friendship" theme. it's really central to anime, and really distinguished from american/euro shows. if you watch shows like hunter x hunter, or free, there's a distinguished sense of camaraderie.
and it's very... introspective... you have to be an introspective person to fully appreciate the friendship themes in "Free!" or "Hunter x Hunter".

It's not something that is found in American movies or shows. They approach "friendship" in a totally different manner.

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Voice acting and artistic direction... examples would be Flowers of Evil or Love Stage!!. I can't imagine any other countries being able to come up with these stories or dialogues. It's very Japanese, imo.

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But I get what you mean. Shows like Akame ga kill could have been written by anyone... it's not very Japanese. But even in such a show, you can still see the friendship theme I mentioned before is in there. The japanese animators never abandon this theme.
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the theme that makes anime anime would be the "friendship" theme. it's really central to anime, and really distinguished from american/euro shows. if you watch shows like hunter x hunter, or free, there's a distinguished sense of camaraderie.
and it's very... introspective... you have to be an introspective person to fully appreciate the friendship themes in "Free!" or "Hunter x Hunter".

It's not something that is found in American movies or shows. They approach "friendship" in a totally different manner.

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Voice acting and artistic direction... examples would be Flowers of Evil or Love Stage!!. I can't imagine any other countries being able to come up with these stories or dialogues. It's very Japanese, imo.

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But I get what you mean. Shows like Akame ga kill could have been written by anyone... it's not very Japanese. But even in such a show, you can still see the friendship theme I mentioned before is in there. The japanese animators never abandon this theme.


hmmm... Very good point. Even reminds me of old cartoon shows like voltron and such.. It is very friendship and group oriented.
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I don't considered Pokemon as an anime, by the way it's shown in the US. In short, it's been Americanized.
The show is there because it's marketable, like how marketable "Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure" is.
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The maturity, the culture, the themes...I seen some mature cartoons (Like DCAU) but anime is something different. It tells stories that outweigh traditional american cartoons in breadth, scope, and depth.
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To me it's not a genre at all, it's just a style. It's like liking british comedies, there is nothing fundamentally different between them and those from other countries, but there is a certain flavour that comes from that culture, and some people appreciate it more than others. Personally I consume japanese and korean media because, aside from the run-of-the-mill shonen and fan service stuff, there are many interesting and original stories, they are less afraid of going into controversial or strange themes (reason why they are considered weird and sometimes bizarre by people not into them). This applies more to manga than anime though.

Posted 11/15/14
http://youtu.be/8Z4s0mMD5xQ

Is this still anime?
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Gainax makes that? It's a good imitation of the worst style of animation the west produces while trying to pass profanity as humor. Sad.

I guess it is anime though.
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Anime has stood out for me ever since I first learned about it as a teenager because it just opened up a whole new world of entertainment options. There's an anime series that can appeal to everyone: young and old, male or female, all over the world. It appeals both as a distinctly Japanese thing as well as a method of storytelling that is universal, if that makes any sense.

The other thing that I find really interesting and great about anime is that, throughout the years, there's always something that comes up that's completely different and unique. Granted I don't watch as much TV and movies as I used to when I was a kid/student, but I always manage to stumble across a series that has such a different and enjoyable premise that keeps me surprised and entertained. I haven't really been able to find that lately with American programming.
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I've always liked anime on par with Western cartoons, because really there is no difference. There's just more of them in Japan. I mean yes there's a wider variety of themes and age ranges, but it's all greek to me, ya know?

Calling it all superior to the west is really weeaboo-y. because it's not all superior, there is a lot of terrible anime out there lol.

But it takes a lot for an anime to stand out to me if we're talking specifics. Stylish animation helps, unpredictability (a lot of romance anime is so predictable i can tell what will happen in the first episode for instance), plots I haven't seen before!!

but like, basically everything i look for in any cartoon, though usually with anime some things are a given, like continuity and character development which don't happen as often in the west.
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Posted 11/15/14 , edited 11/15/14

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Gainax makes that? It's a good imitation of the worst style of animation the west produces while trying to pass profanity as humor. Sad.

I guess it is anime though.


hahaha.. I liked Panty and Stocking as a sub. But that's also an excellent example of what I'm talking about. Is it really anime because it's from Japan? The argument on the Japanese-ness goes all the way back to the 80's. Voltron, Thundercats, etc.. All had production of some sort in Japan...


zebrathinker wrote:

I've always liked anime on par with Western cartoons, because really there is no difference. There's just more of them in Japan. I mean yes there's a wider variety of themes and age ranges, but it's all greek to me, ya know?

Calling it all superior to the west is really weeaboo-y. because it's not all superior, there is a lot of terrible anime out there lol.

But it takes a lot for an anime to stand out to me if we're talking specifics. Stylish animation helps, unpredictability (a lot of romance anime is so predictable i can tell what will happen in the first episode for instance), plots I haven't seen before!!

but like, basically everything i look for in any cartoon, though usually with anime some things are a given, like continuity and character development which don't happen as often in the west.


That's generally how I feel too, and I find the rabid anime fans, or basically the concept of an anime specific fandom kinda.... offputting. I watch brit-coms, k-drama, the occasional foreign film. The criteria always stays the same, and I don't really like labelling them as I have just now. It's scifi, horror, fantasy, etc.. but...


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The maturity, the culture, the themes...I seen some mature cartoons (Like DCAU) but anime is something different. It tells stories that outweigh traditional american cartoons in breadth, scope, and depth.


This is somewhat true. They do have a minor stylistic point that still resonates with that culture that they're from, though, I argue, with globalization what it is, there's so much cross pollinating, and the world is becoming more and more homogenous, I wonder if there's a day coming soon when those cultural markers might not disappear completely. (as seen from the PASWGB clip)
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As for the profanity and excessive sexuality in PASWG, it's not like there weren't anime titles that did the same in the past. Ping pong club was notoriously raunchy and profane for its time (but had many many more japanese cultural elements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As5b7YbhIOI

And colorful was also raunchy as hell for its time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDmY3GolvXk

Both came out before South Park and its ilk, as a point of reference as well.

Just some points for consideration.
Posted 11/15/14
did someone move this here because op had mentioned "globalization" ?
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what makes it stand out to me are the story lines and the detail in art. it is all high quality. better than the crazy stuff called cartoons here in the US
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