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cloud and Aeris question
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Posted 11/15/14 , edited 11/16/14
i always been wondering about this but....how much did Aeris mean to cloud? They just met (in the game) not that long. it been a LONG time since i last play final fantasy 7
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Posted 11/15/14 , edited 11/15/14
If I recall correctly... It was Zack and Aerith who were close to each other. Cloud got some of Zack's personality, memory, stories transferred to him when he had the Mako enhancement. Cloud confused those memories with his own.

(It's been a long time since I played a game from the FFVII series myself. Correct me if I got it wrong)
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mid012 wrote:

If I recall correctly... It was Zack and Aerith who were close to each other. Cloud got some of Zack's personality, memory, stories transferred to him when he had the Mako enhancement. Cloud confused those memories with his own.

(It's been a long time since I played a game from the FFVII series myself. Correct me if I got it wrong)


idk but aerith death become the drive that gets cloud to kill sephiroth
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FF7 is my favorite game and my opinion is based on info I've encountered in the past, but Cloud, Aerith, and Sephiroth were the original three characters conceptualized for the game and in Amano's artwork. Aerith and Cloud are almost always pictured together, with Cloud defending Aerith, which seems to suggest that these two were meant to be the story's central protagonists and lovers (http://www.ffshrine.org/ff7/amanoart/ff7_3.jpg). Interestingly, Sephiroth was originally intended to be Aerith's first lover, the one who leaves her to join Soldier but never returns (more original artwork: http://www.ffshrine.org/ff7/amanoart/ff7_11.jpg). Instead, Squaresoft added Zack Fair and gave him that role. I'm not sure why as it actually makes Sephiroth less of a human character and more of an idealic warrior gone down the wrong path. It would have made Aerith's death more heart wrenching, as Jenova takes on the image of Sephiroth (supposedly her past lover) to kill her.

Anyway, based on how the actual game turned out, Cloud is lost in Zack's memories until he meets Aerith, who notices how similar the two soldiers are. In my opinion, Aerith loved them both. But she didn't love Cloud because he was like Zack, she loved him for him, and was actually trying to help Cloud find himself, which is shown in the Gold Saucer scene where she says "I want to meet you." Cloud's all confused at the time because she didn't put it very eloquently, but I suppose she couldn't find the right words for it. Prior to that, Cloud also saves Aerith from Shinra tower of his own volition, whereas Aerith takes the lead in rescuing Tifa. Later, at the Temple of Ancients, Aerith asks Cait Sith to read her and Cloud's compatibility and he says they are perfect for each other. When Aerith dies, it causes Cloud to go after Sephiroth (like said before), although he never fully recovers. I think he continues to live for Aerith's sake, and he tries to do good in his life, but he's sort of lost his drive and reason to live. That's why he's so depressed and forlorn in Advent Children.

There's a possibility he could try to get over it and move on with Tifa, but he never quite does. She was never really there for him in his younger days, and she takes advantage of him when his memory gets messed up and guilt trips him into helping her because he "made it to first class soldier like he promised" (even though he didn't and there were quite a few signs that something bad happened to Cloud). She didn't want to see it, and she didn't want to help the real him because the fake him was more convenient - although in her defense she later matures and helps him put his memories together. I suppose the devs were trying to give Cloud a possibility for a more optimistic ending, but truthfully I would say Cloud is a tragic figure who lost the one person who brightened his life and never gets over it.
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FF7 is my favorite game and my opinion is based on info I've encountered in the past, but Cloud, Aerith, and Sephiroth were the original three characters conceptualized for the game and in Amano's artwork. Aerith and Cloud are almost always pictured together, with Cloud defending Aerith, which seems to suggest that these two were meant to be the story's central protagonists and lovers (http://www.ffshrine.org/ff7/amanoart/ff7_3.jpg). Interestingly, Sephiroth was originally intended to be Aerith's first lover, the one who leaves her to join Soldier but never returns (more original artwork: http://www.ffshrine.org/ff7/amanoart/ff7_11.jpg). Instead, Squaresoft added Zack Fair and gave him that role. I'm not sure why as it actually makes Sephiroth less of a human character and more of an idealic warrior gone down the wrong path. It would have made Aerith's death more heart wrenching, as Jenova takes on the image of Sephiroth (supposedly her past lover) to kill her.

Anyway, based on how the actual game turned out, Cloud is lost in Zack's memories until he meets Aerith, who notices how similar the two soldiers are. In my opinion, Aerith loved them both. But she didn't love Cloud because he was like Zack, she loved him for him, and was actually trying to help Cloud find himself, which is shown in the Gold Saucer scene where she says "I want to meet you." Cloud's all confused at the time because she didn't put it very eloquently, but I suppose she couldn't find the right words for it. Prior to that, Cloud also saves Aerith from Shinra tower of his own volition, whereas Aerith takes the lead in rescuing Tifa. Later, at the Temple of Ancients, Aerith asks Cait Sith to read her and Cloud's compatibility and he says they are perfect for each other. When Aerith dies, it causes Cloud to go after Sephiroth (like said before), although he never fully recovers. I think he continues to live for Aerith's sake, and he tries to do good in his life, but he's sort of lost his drive and reason to live. That's why he's so depressed and forlorn in Advent Children.

There's a possibility he could try to get over it and move on with Tifa, but he never quite does. She was never really there for him in his younger days, and she takes advantage of him when his memory gets messed up and guilt trips him into helping her because he "made it to first class soldier like he promised" (even though he didn't and there were quite a few signs that something bad happened to Cloud). She didn't want to see it, and she didn't want to help the real him because the fake him was more convenient - although in her defense she later matures and helps him put his memories together. I suppose the devs were trying to give Cloud a possibility for a more optimistic ending, but truthfully I would say Cloud is a tragic figure who lost the one person who brightened his life and never gets over it.


so i guess they won't make anymore games or movies after Advent Children.
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Posted 11/16/14 , edited 11/16/14
Logic doesn't stop SquareEnix from making terrible sequels these days so you never know. I doubt the sequels would be half as deep or meaningful as the original. FF7 left many deep questions and criticisms of human behavior unanswered. Above all, FF7 critiques humans for destroying the environment in exchange for modern conveniences and wealth. Barret convinces his town to produce mako energy for profit, but the reactor explodes, the project is abandoned, and the citizens are left to suffer in worse squalor than before. Meanwhile, Shinra creates materia from the lifestream even though human spirits enter the lifestream upon death to be reborn again in the world. The process turns human souls into magic crystals. Creepy right? Full Metal Alchemist uses a similar concept. Anyway, when the group is discussing Holy as a weapon to save the planet, Bugenhagen mentions that Holy would purge all the threats to the planet at that time, and wonders if humans would, therefore, be purged along with the other evil things. FF7's ending is particularly effective because there are no humans in sight and Midgar is overgrown with vegetation. You kinda start thinking that humans were purged. But then a ghostly figure of Aerith appears and opens her eyes at the end. This is meant to give the player hope, but leave them uncertain. Did we need sequels with such a powerful ending? I don't think so personally although there's always that hope that the devs might come up with some truly fantastic, ingenious storyline that would do the original credit.

One noteworthy moment occurs when Aerith leaves in Cloud's dream, telling him "I'll come back when it's all over." She probably knew she was going to die so what was that about? Will she be reborn as a new person from the lifestream (aka. lets meet again in our next lives) Or did she mean her presence would be felt in the lifestream by Cloud? I don't know.
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They traveled half the world together and dodged several death defying moments with each other's help.
I think anyone on this team has a great deal of respect and cares deeply for one another.

Maybe Aeris loved Cloud like a partner, maybe she loved him like a friend.
To me, it's irrelevant, because either way, their connection is very strong.

However, Cloud was most definitely particularly struck by Aeris' death, because after all, she was the one that brought him out of his shell, so to speak.

My own honest opinion is that Cloud was in love with Aeris.
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Posted 11/17/14 , edited 11/17/14

Bearbudah wrote:

They traveled half the world together and dodged several death defying moments with each other's help.
I think anyone on this team has a great deal of respect and cares deeply for one another.

Maybe Aeris loved Cloud like a partner, maybe she loved him like a friend.
To me, it's irrelevant, because either way, their connection is very strong.

However, Cloud was most definitely particularly struck by Aeris' death, because after all, she was the one that brought him out of his shell, so to speak.

My own honest opinion is that Cloud was in love with Aeris.


do you think in the kingdom hearts series is their way to let cloudXaeris fans get their fix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6x7zWhsgQA
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do you think in the kingdom hearts series is their way to let cloudXaeris fans get their fix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6x7zWhsgQA

Not really.
It emphasizes the relationship they had but it neither confirms nor denies that they are in a comitted relationship with each other.
Obviously they were featured in a scene together because their relationship (whatever kind of relationship it is)
is among the most popular between any final fantasy couple in the history of square's games.


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Bearbudah wrote:


latinaloverTX wrote:



do you think in the kingdom hearts series is their way to let cloudXaeris fans get their fix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6x7zWhsgQA

Not really.
It emphasizes the relationship they had but it neither confirms nor denies that they are in a comitted relationship with each other.
Obviously they were featured in a scene together because their relationship (whatever kind of relationship it is)
is among the most popular between any final fantasy couple in the history of square's games.




my brother told me that final fantasy 8 got a TRUE romance
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Both FF7 and FF8 have been debated into the ground in the pairings department. In the case of FF7, I suspect there may never be a real answer, since the creator of the game is long gone from the company and his successors have gone to great lengths to muddy the waters.


Rayneomon wrote:
FF7 is my favorite game.


Though I appreciate the detailed opinions, mate, this game – *looks at age* – has been out longer than you have been alive. How did you come to be so invested in it?
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latinaloverTX wrote:


Bearbudah wrote:


latinaloverTX wrote:




my brother told me that final fantasy 8 got a TRUE romance


That is true.

The protagonist Squall Leonhart has a very clear thing going on with the character Rinoa who beyond his love interest also serves as an important part of the story beyond any of the other team members.

Final Fantasy X has a genuine love story between the Protagonist Tidus and the Female protagonist Yuna.

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@rcsatcrunchyroll - Great googly moogly, Sherlock! Don't flip your wig and let the young man speak! Back in my day we walked up hill both ways in the rain without shoe straps yet here I am in the technological era typing messages to young punks on my calculator.

Squall dies at the end of disc 1 in FF8. Or, at least, that's the only theory that would make the rest of the game make sense. So the whole romance thing with Rinoa was just his fantasy. Take that, younguns!
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Not saying his opinion was invalid, Kenobi, I'm just a bit mystified that somebody that age was able to get that far into FF7 with so many other games available.

But, if we are talking FF8, you can make a case for Squall being dead, but I find the other big fan theory more plausible (that Rinoa is ... someone). Granted, the Ultimania Omega book for the game disavows that, but those books were done long after the fact (and seem to exist to piss fans off, like most of what Square Enix does nowadays).
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Posted 11/20/14 , edited 11/20/14

mid012 wrote:

If I recall correctly... It was Zack and Aerith who were close to each other. Cloud got some of Zack's personality, memory, stories transferred to him when he had the Mako enhancement. Cloud confused those memories with his own.

(It's been a long time since I played a game from the FFVII series myself. Correct me if I got it wrong)


That's not quite the case.

After Crisis Core, Cloud kinda went a little nutsoid, like serious PTSD. To help himself cope with his crappy life and the death of Zack, he mistook Zack's life for his own.

Aerith helped Cloud realize he was only lying to himself to make himself feel better.

As for Aerith's feelings for Cloud, I always felt she was kinda into him, but only because he closely resembled Zack, her previous lovey.

I also might be a bit mistaken, as I've only beaten Crisis Core and gotten half-way through FF7.

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