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Polygyny: In the US, do you think men should be able to have more than one wife?
Posted 11/17/14 , edited 11/17/14

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I don't think same sex marriage and polygyny are the same anyway. Getting to marry who you love is different than how many people you get to marry.


You realize you can fall in love with more than one person do you ? The hole idea that you can't truly love more than one individual is truthfully arrogant close minded way of thinking.



Sure... and serial monogamy is allowed. I don't discount you can grow apart, but polygamy is totally different, and I still say you can't love more than one person "the most":

Polygamy reeks of dependency, lack of caring, and quite frankly, like relationships are "jobs" or you can just swap out roles.

I can also love many people in different ways, but I will only love one person as my mate and companion. That person is mine alone and I would be theirs alone. I thoroughly want to be selfish in that domain of my life, and I want someone equally selfish of me.


If you mean equal love then I guess is more difficult. Think of this way. Just because you have child you love more than the other. Does't mean you can't show the same love to the other child. Is the same thing in this case. Also while I don't think there anything wrong with being selfish expecting that from everybody is a bit arrogant to say the least. When people are involve in polygamy AKA harem. Is usually for differing reasons other than sex. One those is that one person can't fill this individual heart fully or fix all is problems. This is one of many reason a lot of marriages end in disasters. Also every person have different type of definition of what love is to them, including different needs for love.
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Well it's not really my business to really state what's good for someone else
Or stand by a strong opinion on this one. If the people (men and women)
are fine then ya go for it. As for me I would not go into a relationship
With someone who has multiple wives.
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The current media has been blasting for decades now how normal homosexuality is to the point you can see where a show's plot is going in the 1st ten minutes sometimes. LGBT types are becoming stock diversity characters(black, latino, & etc.) a show needs to put in so as not to get in trouble with those special interest groups.

Twenty years ago same-sex marriages were unheard of. Now they are on the verge of being common place.

I predict with a constant media saturation(there are already a few reality show featuring polygamy) in 20 years, the above poll could look a lot different.
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"You realize you can fall in love with more than one person do you?" No, but you can lust after multiple people and love and lust are two different things. Do you know anything about true polygamy or polygyny culture? Go read about this topic and find facts and stats before you even try to say this is about love. It is not love for old, rich men to hoard young GIRLS as possessions and younger men are not to even date them, these women are controlled and despite what reality tv shows these unions are not harmonious.
"Children, too, appear to suffer in polygamous cultures. Henrich examines a study comparing 19th-century Mormon households, 45 of them headed by wealthy men, generally with multiple wives, and 45 headed by poorer men, generally with one wife each. What’s surprising is that the children of the poorer men actually fared better, proving more likely to survive to age 15. Granted, this is a small study, but it’s consistent with other studies, including one from Africa showing that the children of monogamous households tend to do better than those from polygynous households in the same communities. Why? Some scholars suspect that polygyny may discourage paternal investment. Men with lots of children and wives are spread too thin, and to make things worse, they’re compiling resources to attract their next wives instead of using it on their existing families." (Doublex, WHAT WOMEN REALLY THINK ABOUT NEWS, POLITICS, AND CULTURE. Libby, Copeland. 2012).
http://www.childbrides.org/canada_TP_sexual_abuse_at_US_polyg_community_court_hears.html Yeah child brides and power hungry men..that is loving.

"The hole idea that you can't truly love more than one individual is truthfully arrogant close minded way of thinking" The whole idea depends on each person's perspective, upbringing, and spiritual belief...so NO it is not TRUTHFULLY ARROGANT to believe one way or the other. Your intolerance of monogamous philosophy is though. Your opinion could NEVER be truthful to except you and those who agree...and I do not. Get over it.
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shehulk wrote:

"You realize you can fall in love with more than one person do you?" No, but you can lust after multiple people and love and lust are two different things. Do you know anything about true polygamy or polygyny culture? Go read about this topic and find facts and stats before you even try to say this is about love. It is not love for old, rich men to hoard young GIRLS as possessions and younger men are not to even date them, these women are controlled and despite what reality tv shows these unions are not harmonious.
"Children, too, appear to suffer in polygamous cultures. Henrich examines a study comparing 19th-century Mormon households, 45 of them headed by wealthy men, generally with multiple wives, and 45 headed by poorer men, generally with one wife each. What’s surprising is that the children of the poorer men actually fared better, proving more likely to survive to age 15. Granted, this is a small study, but it’s consistent with other studies, including one from Africa showing that the children of monogamous households tend to do better than those from polygynous households in the same communities. Why? Some scholars suspect that polygyny may discourage paternal investment. Men with lots of children and wives are spread too thin, and to make things worse, they’re compiling resources to attract their next wives instead of using it on their existing families." (Doublex, WHAT WOMEN REALLY THINK ABOUT NEWS, POLITICS, AND CULTURE. Libby, Copeland. 2012).
http://www.childbrides.org/canada_TP_sexual_abuse_at_US_polyg_community_court_hears.html Yeah child brides and power hungry men..that is loving.

"The hole idea that you can't truly love more than one individual is truthfully arrogant close minded way of thinking" The whole idea depends on each person's perspective, upbringing, and spiritual belief...so NO it is not TRUTHFULLY ARROGANT to believe one way or the other. Your intolerance of monogamous philosophy is though. Your opinion could NEVER be truthful to except you and those who agree...and I do not. Get over it.


I think I have a platonic crush on you... XD

Just thank you for this.
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One woman can make you crazy. Why would you want take on gangs of them?
Posted 11/18/14 , edited 11/18/14

shehulk wrote:

"You realize you can fall in love with more than one person do you?" No, but you can lust after multiple people and love and lust are two different things. Do you know anything about true polygamy or polygyny culture? Go read about this topic and find facts and stats before you even try to say this is about love. It is not love for old, rich men to hoard young GIRLS as possessions and younger men are not to even date them, these women are controlled and despite what reality tv shows these unions are not harmonious.
"Children, too, appear to suffer in polygamous cultures. Henrich examines a study comparing 19th-century Mormon households, 45 of them headed by wealthy men, generally with multiple wives, and 45 headed by poorer men, generally with one wife each. What’s surprising is that the children of the poorer men actually fared better, proving more likely to survive to age 15. Granted, this is a small study, but it’s consistent with other studies, including one from Africa showing that the children of monogamous households tend to do better than those from polygynous households in the same communities. Why? Some scholars suspect that polygyny may discourage paternal investment. Men with lots of children and wives are spread too thin, and to make things worse, they’re compiling resources to attract their next wives instead of using it on their existing families." (Doublex, WHAT WOMEN REALLY THINK ABOUT NEWS, POLITICS, AND CULTURE. Libby, Copeland. 2012).
http://www.childbrides.org/canada_TP_sexual_abuse_at_US_polyg_community_court_hears.html Yeah child brides and power hungry men..that is loving.

"The hole idea that you can't truly love more than one individual is truthfully arrogant close minded way of thinking" The whole idea depends on each person's perspective, upbringing, and spiritual belief...so NO it is not TRUTHFULLY ARROGANT to believe one way or the other. Your intolerance of monogamous philosophy is though. Your opinion could NEVER be truthful to except you and those who agree...and I do not. Get over it.


First all lust and love are two different things. Unless you can prove why scientifically can't you love 2 people a the same time I suggest you learn what opinion is Versus facts. That way you look like intelligent human being. Secondly This is not about those people over the other side of the world but the people over here. 3 I never say is arrogant to believe your own belief. What I say is arrogant to expect everybody to think like you or anybody else for that matter. Please try to control your feminine side. You are coming off as a feminist nazi. And to make clear this to you and other people about what I think about polygamy. This are my thous on the matter. If two individual or more want to marry another individual is theirs choice not yours nor the public decision. No man, women or god has any kind of decision in the matter. Is nobody business what individual or group of people marry to who. And please do provide links to those study's that are from legitimate sources for research and is from unbiased study. Including from a recognize institution and 100 percent accurate study. Before you go thinking he a guy that way he think like that I must inform you that I'm bisexual and asexual. Sex or lust is not even in my head when thinking about this subject.
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KarenAraragi wrote:


shehulk wrote:

"You realize you can fall in love with more than one person do you?" No, but you can lust after multiple people and love and lust are two different things. Do you know anything about true polygamy or polygyny culture? Go read about this topic and find facts and stats before you even try to say this is about love. It is not love for old, rich men to hoard young GIRLS as possessions and younger men are not to even date them, these women are controlled and despite what reality tv shows these unions are not harmonious.
"Children, too, appear to suffer in polygamous cultures. Henrich examines a study comparing 19th-century Mormon households, 45 of them headed by wealthy men, generally with multiple wives, and 45 headed by poorer men, generally with one wife each. What’s surprising is that the children of the poorer men actually fared better, proving more likely to survive to age 15. Granted, this is a small study, but it’s consistent with other studies, including one from Africa showing that the children of monogamous households tend to do better than those from polygynous households in the same communities. Why? Some scholars suspect that polygyny may discourage paternal investment. Men with lots of children and wives are spread too thin, and to make things worse, they’re compiling resources to attract their next wives instead of using it on their existing families." (Doublex, WHAT WOMEN REALLY THINK ABOUT NEWS, POLITICS, AND CULTURE. Libby, Copeland. 2012).
http://www.childbrides.org/canada_TP_sexual_abuse_at_US_polyg_community_court_hears.html Yeah child brides and power hungry men..that is loving.

"The hole idea that you can't truly love more than one individual is truthfully arrogant close minded way of thinking" The whole idea depends on each person's perspective, upbringing, and spiritual belief...so NO it is not TRUTHFULLY ARROGANT to believe one way or the other. Your intolerance of monogamous philosophy is though. Your opinion could NEVER be truthful to except you and those who agree...and I do not. Get over it.


First all lust and love are two different things. Unless you can prove why scientifically can't you love 2 people a the same time I suggest you learn what opinion is Versus facts. That way you look like intelligent human being. Secondly This is not about those people over the other side of the world but the people over here. 3 I never say is arrogant to believe your own belief. What I say is arrogant to expect everybody to think like you or anybody else for that matter. Please try to control your feminine side. You are coming off as a feminist nazi. And to make clear this to you and other people about what I think about polygamy. This are my thous on the matter. If two individual or more want to marry another individual is theirs choice not yours nor the public decision. No man, women or god has any kind of decision in the matter. Is nobody business what individual or group of people marry to who. And please do provide links to those study's that are from legitimate sources for research and is from unbiased study. Including from a recognize institution and 100 percent accurate study. Before you go thinking he a guy that way he think like that I must inform you that I'm bisexual and asexual. Sex or lust is not even in my head when thinking about this subject.


I'm a male as well, and I agree with her. You MIGHT be able to pull some feminism out of the fact that she says that it's primarily young girls that are indoctrinated into this, but, it is mainly men possessing a harem, and her other language is quite gender non-specific. The studies she quotes are about the success of the children (nongender specific). It IS somewhat of a feminist issue, but to be honest, it's a legit concern compared to others deserving of the "feminazi" title.

I also don't see any judgements of your own sexuality, just criticisms of your views on monogamy. maybe she asserted something that hit a nerve by criticizing you for those beliefs, but it seems like she hit a mark.

Also, asexual relationships are not easy and rarely work as well. I'm heterosexual, but celibate. Somebody always has feeeeeeelllings.... and a few of them eventually want to express that sexually.
Posted 11/18/14

serifsansserif wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:


shehulk wrote:

"You realize you can fall in love with more than one person do you?" No, but you can lust after multiple people and love and lust are two different things. Do you know anything about true polygamy or polygyny culture? Go read about this topic and find facts and stats before you even try to say this is about love. It is not love for old, rich men to hoard young GIRLS as possessions and younger men are not to even date them, these women are controlled and despite what reality tv shows these unions are not harmonious.
"Children, too, appear to suffer in polygamous cultures. Henrich examines a study comparing 19th-century Mormon households, 45 of them headed by wealthy men, generally with multiple wives, and 45 headed by poorer men, generally with one wife each. What’s surprising is that the children of the poorer men actually fared better, proving more likely to survive to age 15. Granted, this is a small study, but it’s consistent with other studies, including one from Africa showing that the children of monogamous households tend to do better than those from polygynous households in the same communities. Why? Some scholars suspect that polygyny may discourage paternal investment. Men with lots of children and wives are spread too thin, and to make things worse, they’re compiling resources to attract their next wives instead of using it on their existing families." (Doublex, WHAT WOMEN REALLY THINK ABOUT NEWS, POLITICS, AND CULTURE. Libby, Copeland. 2012).
http://www.childbrides.org/canada_TP_sexual_abuse_at_US_polyg_community_court_hears.html Yeah child brides and power hungry men..that is loving.

"The hole idea that you can't truly love more than one individual is truthfully arrogant close minded way of thinking" The whole idea depends on each person's perspective, upbringing, and spiritual belief...so NO it is not TRUTHFULLY ARROGANT to believe one way or the other. Your intolerance of monogamous philosophy is though. Your opinion could NEVER be truthful to except you and those who agree...and I do not. Get over it.


First all lust and love are two different things. Unless you can prove why scientifically can't you love 2 people a the same time I suggest you learn what opinion is Versus facts. That way you look like intelligent human being. Secondly This is not about those people over the other side of the world but the people over here. 3 I never say is arrogant to believe your own belief. What I say is arrogant to expect everybody to think like you or anybody else for that matter. Please try to control your feminine side. You are coming off as a feminist nazi. And to make clear this to you and other people about what I think about polygamy. This are my thous on the matter. If two individual or more want to marry another individual is theirs choice not yours nor the public decision. No man, women or god has any kind of decision in the matter. Is nobody business what individual or group of people marry to who. And please do provide links to those study's that are from legitimate sources for research and is from unbiased study. Including from a recognize institution and 100 percent accurate study. Before you go thinking he a guy that way he think like that I must inform you that I'm bisexual and asexual. Sex or lust is not even in my head when thinking about this subject.


I'm a male as well, and I agree with her. You MIGHT be able to pull some feminism out of the fact that she says that it's primarily young girls that are indoctrinated into this, but, it is mainly men possessing a harem, and her other language is quite gender non-specific. The studies she quotes are about the success of the children (nongender specific). It IS somewhat of a feminist issue, but to be honest, it's a legit concern compared to others deserving of the "feminazi" title.

I also don't see any judgements of your own sexuality, just criticisms of your views on monogamy. maybe she asserted something that hit a nerve by criticizing you for those beliefs, but it seems like she hit a mark.

Also, asexual relationships are not easy and rarely work as well. I'm heterosexual, but celibate. Somebody always has feeeeeeelllings.... and a few of them eventually want to express that sexually.


We are talking about adults people not children. Two asexual relations rarely work you say ? Please provide prof of that ? 3 sir do you know me to make such bold claim about she hit a nerve of mine ? 4 I say she was coming off to me as feminist nazi. 5 If she feel offended by it she can defend herself if she feel the need to it. Because she was coming off to me as feminist nazi I decide provide the information in case I was right about it. Since feminist nazi tend to be idiots.No because I felted my own sexuality being judged. Mind you. And for your information idiot. People who are asexual then to only want sex when is about somebody they love other wise most of the time they don't care about sex. Unless you are sexual psychologist please refrain from talking about something you hardly have any idea what you are talking about.
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The only problem the government should have with polygamy and gay marriage should be the issues with taxes.
That said, I feel that marriage status shouldn't have anything to do with taxes at all, and you should care more about the actual relationships you have with people rather than legal documents.
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I agree with you. But you know there always those people who like to complicated things for the rest of people.
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We are talking about adults people not children. Two asexual relations rarely work you say ? Please provide prof of that ? 3 sir do you know me to make such bold claim about she hit a nerve of mine ? 4 I say she was coming off to me as feminist nazi. 5 If she feel offended by it she can defend herself if she feel the need to it. Because she was coming off to me as feminist nazi I decide provide the information in case I was right about it. Since feminist nazi tend to be idiots.No because I felted my own sexuality being judged. Mind you. And for your information idiot. People who are asexual then to only want sex when is about somebody they love other wise most of the time they don't care about sex. Unless you are sexual psychologist please refrain from talking about something you hardly have any idea what you are talking about.


You're getting very defensive and are name calling. You called her a feminazi, and now feminist nazi's idiots, so you called her an idiot. Then you called me an idiot. That's hitting a nerve.

You're right. she can defend herself, and she probably will. I'm not trying to defend her really. refereeing when I'm not being asked to yes. I don't know. I agree with her stuff, and originally, I was arguing with you before she was. I'm a little miffed you forgot me. T.T

Honestly, nobody here would have known you were asexual until you said so. I had issues with your thoughts on polygamy but I don't think, at least I, said anything bad about it. I also am quite aware about asexuality. I said I am celibate. I could have been a bit clearer. By definition, asexuality is just not having any feelings about sex. It's, in the many articles published, (and I believe there's been a documentary or two about it), so, where was going is that, for the most part, sex isn't a part of what either you are I are looking for in our relationships with people. From my experience, and from the experience of others which I have read or heard about, it's not easy because for other people, feelings may be there, and then sex rears its ugly head. And when that happens, it complicates things. they don't react well to the "I can love you, but i can't have sex with you" thing. I've had a few not so pleasant experiences telling women "No. I will not sleep with you. I'll hang out with you, I'll be your friend, whatever, but no." Your sexuality wasn't being attacked. it was empathizing.
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KarenAraragi wrote:

We are talking about adults people not children. Two asexual relations rarely work you say ? Please provide prof of that ? 3 sir do you know me to make such bold claim about she hit a nerve of mine ? 4 I say she was coming off to me as feminist nazi. 5 If she feel offended by it she can defend herself if she feel the need to it. Because she was coming off to me as feminist nazi I decide provide the information in case I was right about it. Since feminist nazi tend to be idiots.No because I felted my own sexuality being judged. Mind you. And for your information idiot. People who are asexual then to only want sex when is about somebody they love other wise most of the time they don't care about sex. Unless you are sexual psychologist please refrain from talking about something you hardly have any idea what you are talking about.


You're getting very defensive and are name calling. You called her a feminazi, and now feminist nazi's idiots, so you called her an idiot. Then you called me an idiot. That's hitting a nerve.

You're right. she can defend herself, and she probably will. I'm not trying to defend her really. refereeing when I'm not being asked to yes. I don't know. I agree with her stuff, and originally, I was arguing with you before she was. I'm a little miffed you forgot me. T.T

Honestly, nobody here would have known you were asexual until you said so. I had issues with your thoughts on polygamy but I don't think, at least I, said anything bad about it. I also am quite aware about asexuality. I said I am celibate. I could have been a bit clearer. By definition, asexuality is just not having any feelings about sex. It's, in the many articles published, (and I believe there's been a documentary or two about it), so, where was going is that, for the most part, sex isn't a part of what either you are I are looking for in our relationships with people. From my experience, and from the experience of others which I have read or heard about, it's not easy because for other people, feelings may be there, and then sex rears its ugly head. And when that happens, it complicates things. they don't react well to the "I can love you, but i can't have sex with you" thing. I've had a few not so pleasant experiences telling women "No. I will not sleep with you. I'll hang out with you, I'll be your friend, whatever, but no." Your sexuality wasn't being attacked. it was empathizing.


First went I say idiot I meant as you should know what are you talking about ! No need to take offence <_<. Two I did't call her idiot ! I meant to feminist nazi ! 3 I have never say she is a feminist Nazi other than she come off to me like she is. That is.. 3 There different kind of asexual people. I have never felted my sexuality being attack If she want to believe that BS of her that fine by me but I will express disagreement with that narrow view of the world -_- By the way I did't forget you is just you come of as a troll when you say. Did she hit a nerve ? So I'm just ignoring you that all >_> I also find it immoral went people seen to think they have a say in somebody else relation @_@ And about the asexual thing. Like I say there different kinds of asexual. For example while I do have preference in girls body type amongs others thing in a girls . Theirs personalty can easily turn me off faster than a bullet.
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