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In many ways it's related the original meaning behind the sin of envy. if you read Dante's inferno, it mentions that the ones guilty of envy were those who wanted to see others fail because they had what you didn't. or wanting to bring down those to your level (i also remember it being kinnda also described as the crabs in a bucket syndrome. the crabs that are closest to escaping bring brought down due to crabs lower reaching up and pulling them down in their attempts to climb out as well)

The origins of Envy are with Nemesis, the balancer of fortune, and a reminder to be humble and not commit the sin of hubris.

when converted from greek to latin, her name became Invidia, and she was the winged goddess with a sword on their coinage (kinda reminiscent of modern imagery of angels). when christianity became prevalent, her image became that of a woman with a snake biting at her chest, pumping its poison into her heart. the name stayed the same, and Invidia is the etymological root of the word we know the sin by today.
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I hate to see people get hurt emotionally. If they propose to someone and get turned down or someone gets laid off from work, I'm not about to starting laughing my ass off.

However, I won't lie and say I don't laugh seeing someone fall off their bike, step in crap wearing their new Jordans, or drop their phone into the ocean. That stuff is usually their fault and doesn't really deserve pity.


It's only funny to me if they did it to themselves.
It also needs to agree with my sense of justice, and they need to fail in a way that's actually funny.
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Posted 2/28/15 , edited 2/28/15

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harutoharuta wrote:

I hate to see people get hurt emotionally. If they propose to someone and get turned down or someone gets laid off from work, I'm not about to starting laughing my ass off.

However, I won't lie and say I don't laugh seeing someone fall off their bike, step in crap wearing their new Jordans, or drop their phone into the ocean. That stuff is usually their fault and doesn't really deserve pity.


It's only funny to me if they did it to themselves.
It also needs to agree with my sense of justice, and they need to fail in a way that's actually funny.


Right, so what's the word for expecting others to fail an feeling bad when they do?

And what's the word for expecting others to fail and feeling good when they don't?

It would be pessimism if I wasn't so encouraged by it.

Am I Schadenfreuding myself? Is this just self-Schadenfreudation?


No, it's the chunch.
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Posted 2/28/15 , edited 2/28/15

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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


harutoharuta wrote:

I hate to see people get hurt emotionally. If they propose to someone and get turned down or someone gets laid off from work, I'm not about to starting laughing my ass off.

However, I won't lie and say I don't laugh seeing someone fall off their bike, step in crap wearing their new Jordans, or drop their phone into the ocean. That stuff is usually their fault and doesn't really deserve pity.


It's only funny to me if they did it to themselves.
It also needs to agree with my sense of justice, and they need to fail in a way that's actually funny.


Right, so what's the word for expecting others to fail an feeling bad when they do?

And what's the word for expecting others to fail and feeling good when they don't?

It would be pessimism if I wasn't so encouraged by it.

Am I Schadenfreuding myself? Is this just self-Schadenfreudation?


No, it's the chunch.




Also, I sometimes feel good when other people fail



But it's more of when other people succeed at making fun of somebody else's self-assured failures
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Right, so what's the word for expecting others to fail an feeling bad when they do?

And what's the word for expecting others to fail and feeling good when they don't?

It would be pessimism if I wasn't so encouraged by it.

Am I Schadenfreuding myself? Is this just self-Schadenfreudation?


"Disappointment" or "Impressed" if I thought they saw the situation the way I did.

Impressed.

I don't know what you're talking about.

people can get picked on for succeeding, too.
That's tall poppy syndrome.
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Posted 2/28/15 , edited 2/28/15

morechunch wrote:


morechunch wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:


harutoharuta wrote:

I hate to see people get hurt emotionally. If they propose to someone and get turned down or someone gets laid off from work, I'm not about to starting laughing my ass off.

However, I won't lie and say I don't laugh seeing someone fall off their bike, step in crap wearing their new Jordans, or drop their phone into the ocean. That stuff is usually their fault and doesn't really deserve pity.


It's only funny to me if they did it to themselves.
It also needs to agree with my sense of justice, and they need to fail in a way that's actually funny.


Right, so what's the word for expecting others to fail an feeling bad when they do?

And what's the word for expecting others to fail and feeling good when they don't?

It would be pessimism if I wasn't so encouraged by it.

Am I Schadenfreuding myself? Is this just self-Schadenfreudation?


Also, I sometimes feel good when other people fail



But it's more of when other people succeed at making fun of somebody else's self-assured failures


I dunno what's going on here. I just find it funny if a grown man attempts to ride a toddler's tricycle and falls off. When some guy who is not paying attention to where he's going, bumps into a pole and drops his phone. You know, the light hearted stuff.

I'm usually taken by surprise. I don't search and expect for someone to fail. Especially if it's something like a marriage proposal. I hope more than anything,


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I only find it funny when the person does something that most reasonable people would consider stupid, essentially inviting misfortune. It is the most satisfying when karma or fate respond and mete out natural punishment immediately.

However, I still get sense of comfort from watching bad things happen to people, even if they didn't deserve it and what happened was tragic and sad. I'll feel bad for a little while and then feel comforted. The more twisted and unfair and terrible the occurrence is, the more I am comforted. This isn't because I like to witness tragedies because they are tragic, it is that they make me feel better about my position in life, they reassure me that even thought things do not go my way, I am not at rock-bottom like some unlucky folks who reach it due to some freak accident or other undeserved thing.

For me, there's no upper limit to the degree of harm that I can appreciate. Disfiguring accidents, torture, execution, severe bodily injury, sometimes deadly ones, I've seen it all. I've witnessed fatal car crashes, seen people who hanged themselves, etc. I've also seen some of these things in person. If anything, things that are too slight and harmless do not really let me feel anything. They never have.

This probably means I've come to associate tragedies with reassurance. I've been doing this for so many years...seeking awful things to witness. In a way, I guess tragic things make me feel good. Not sunshine-candy-alcohol good, but more of a deeper and subtler sense of thankfulness mixed with relief and slight pangs of guilt. I appreciate seeing misfortune rather than experiencing it. It is a grim reminder of stuff that could very much happen to you. I don't wish misfortune on strangers, nor would I personally do those things to people, but I believe we can put their misfortune to a good use. Each instance of misfortune that you etch into your mind is a very sobering experience. For survivors, I wish a speedy recovery.

People need to see more tragedies so they are forced to REALLY think about what matters in life. People have short attention spans so they need to see these things semi-regularly but not too frequently to keep their eyes pointed the right direction without becoming numb to the suffering of others. Just as it is hard to appreciate beauty without ugliness, sweetness without bitterness, light without dark, etc., it is hard to appreciate health and regularity without illness, injury, and death.

I compare it to using graphic videos and pictures of the most grotesque of accidents to teach people car safety at the DMV. I am personally very much against censoring gore and death. Geez, hiding it doesn't make it go away. If it's fine to have uncensored pornography, uncensored gore is also fine. It is reality, after all. Sucky things happen to people who do dumb things and, occasionally, to the totally innocent victim of a freak accident.
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Somebody ought to write a song about it , oh that's right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fzXL3uc1s
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Somebody ought to write a song about it , oh that's right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fzXL3uc1s


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Of course Germany has a word for this. Way to continue the "Germans are angry and heartless" stereotype lol But I do like texting fails and Walmart people pics... and most memes. Seeing people fail like on AFV doesn't make me laugh anymore
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Depends, If I dislike that person then, Indeed I do. I can connect to this somewhat.
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If you are interested in Schadenfreude, check the anime WataMote right here on Crunchyroll.
(Watashi ga motenai no ha dou kangaetemo omaera ga warui)
私がモテないのはどう考えてもお前らが悪い

http://www.crunchyroll.com/watamote-no-matter-how-i-look-at-it-its-you-guys-fault-im-not-popular
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