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Is anime more popular in America or in Japan ?
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Posted 11/24/14 , edited 11/24/14
Well its obviously much more popular in Japan,

However, Anime is becoming quite popular in the west, that can be seen from the success of "Little Witch Academia" which did TERRIBLE in Japan. They had to cancel live screenings due to low ticket sales.

However, when trigger did a kick-starter for episode 2 of LWA, They reached almost a million dollars before the Kick-starter ended. and that was mainly from western donations.

Anime is and will always be a niche market in the west, solely because of it being weird. (Anime is weird, but that's probably why we love it so much)

Alot of content in anime would raise alot of conservative eyebrows in the west if it ever became super popular. Fan Service and sexualization of Lolita type characters being the big contenders for social justice tumblr warriors to crusade against.

Fan Service is something i do enjoy, in moderation. However, I also believe that fan service is one of the things holding anime back from being SUPER popular in the west. You have alot of people deeming anime as "pedo-shit" and "perverted" before they even watch Bebop, black lagoon or psycho-pass.

Anime is something I truly love and allows me to escape from reality.

I am happy anime isn't "super" popular in the west, becuase it would most likely be targeted by conservatives who want to make everything politically correct.

Anime is more popular in Japan because Japanese people are much more open to controversial humor, they take things at face value and enjoy it for what it is. Japanese people also tend to be more liberal when it comes to what is able to be shown to children.

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I really dont know where i was going with that point but xD yeah, anime is more popular in japan
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Posted 11/24/14 , edited 11/24/14
Though there is a possibility that more studios might make shows with foreign audiences in mind if websites such as CR get more exposure

I'd say the main reason why the japanese anime industry doesn't care about our tastes is because, overall, the majority of western anime viewers pirate what they watch. Therefore, they don't see how they can profit from American and European fans.
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Posted 11/24/14 , edited 11/24/14

valleyboy3 wrote:

I was just wondering this morning if all the anime that are created are for the japanese audience or is there more to get from a north-american audience, so my question is : Are anime made by japanse for japanese or is it more targeted to an audience outside of the land of the Rising Sun ?

No hate please it's my first post and im french canadian :)


A anime made for the North american audiences would be like "Space Dandy" for example but it was made for both audiences really and mainly for the Japanese. Japanese anime is made for the Japanese by the Japanese. Very few are made with anywhere else in mind and very few are made by a foreigner. Only a few foreigners have really been central to making a Japanese anime and they mostly had to seek out their own production and more or less fund the projects themselves.

That isn't to say that every so often a foreigner will be a part of making an anime, they just never are the principle creators in the works. Its almost assuredly safe to say that anime is made for Japanese with other audiences as a secondary bonus. This is why there are many shows that will get cancelled despite a large following elsewhere, if the Japanese don't like the show then it wont be around for long even if the overseas audiences love it. Not to mention that 99% of anime is made from Japanese source material like manga or light novels so even if the show ends before the real ending of the manga or light novel, people in japan have access to those source materials more readily then everyone else.

Slowly but surely as the market expands overseas more, more companies might start considering helping with translation and dub scripts but that wont happen for most anime for a long time to come.
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Well, undoubtedly the main anime audience is japanese people. That being said, I still think that anime in general is a niche even in Japan and that some westerns fans overestimate how mainstream anime really is there.
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Posted 11/24/14
i wonder if the viewer are even.
127 to 316 stateside. plus more younger generation stateside.
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Posted 11/24/14

valleyboy3 wrote:

I was just wondering this morning if all the anime that are created are for the japanese audience or is there more to get from a north-american audience, so my question is : Are anime made by japanse for japanese or is it more targeted to an audience outside of the land of the Rising Sun ?

No hate please it's my first post and im french canadian :)


Well... as a whole anime is made for a domestic Japanese audience and only think about exporting later. There are some cases where an anime is so popular abroad that it finds new life in Japan, like Big-0 or (I'd even argue) Dragon Ball. Then you have shows made exclusively for western markets like Afro Samurai.

Let's look at the numbers...

Last time Naruto ranked in the top 10 for anime ratings in Japan was 24 July 2014 and it scored a 3.1 during it's 7pm time slot. That's about 1,550,000 households. Back in 15 November 2014 Naruto scored a 0.6 in it's 12:30am time slot, or about 813,000 households. Now there are a few things to take into account, like Dish not airing Toonami that weekend. But Naruto's midnight viewing in the U.S. was staying on par with it's primetime viewing in Japan this time last year. That is a success story where popularity seems even in both countries, at least on TV.

Then you have cases like One Piece where U.S. rating highs sometimes hit 1,000,000 in it's Saturday night slot but in Japan it's not uncommon for it to get close to 5,000,000 in it's Sunday morning slot. All that said, depends on the show but all that said anime as a whole is more mainstream in Japan.
Posted 11/24/14
I can't believe you're serious...
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Posted 11/24/14

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valleyboy3 wrote:

I was just wondering this morning if all the anime that are created are for the japanese audience or is there more to get from a north-american audience, so my question is : Are anime made by japanse for japanese or is it more targeted to an audience outside of the land of the Rising Sun ?

No hate please it's my first post and im french canadian :)


Well... as a whole anime is made for a domestic Japanese audience and only think about exporting later. There are some cases where an anime is so popular abroad that it finds new life in Japan, like Big-0 or (I'd even argue) Dragon Ball. Then you have shows made exclusively for western markets like Afro Samurai.

Let's look at the numbers...

Last time Naruto ranked in the top 10 for anime ratings in Japan was 24 July 2014 and it scored a 3.1 during it's 7pm time slot. That's about 1,550,000 households. Back in 15 November 2014 Naruto scored a 0.6 in it's 12:30am time slot, or about 813,000 households. Now there are a few things to take into account, like Dish not airing Toonami that weekend. But Naruto's midnight viewing in the U.S. was staying on par with it's primetime viewing in Japan this time last year. That is a success story where popularity seems even in both countries, at least on TV.

Then you have cases like One Piece where U.S. rating highs sometimes hit 1,000,000 in it's Saturday night slot but in Japan it's not uncommon for it to get close to 5,000,000 in it's Sunday morning slot. All that said, depends on the show but all that said anime as a whole is more mainstream in Japan.


The other thing to remember is that the US is a much bigger market than japan, both in general population (US has almost 3x the population) and in median age (US median is almost 10 years younger), so that 1M viewers in Japan is a lot more meaningful in the target demo than the 1M in the US.

The highest rated show (per a quick search) in the US rated 23M viewers. I coudln't find actual numbers for Japan in English to compare, but 5M would be AMAZING for any cartoon here, I think.
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The other thing to remember is that the US is a much bigger market than japan, both in general population (US has almost 3x the population) and in median age (US median is almost 10 years younger), so that 1M viewers in Japan is a lot more meaningful in the target demo than the 1M in the US.

The highest rated show (per a quick search) in the US rated 23M viewers. I coudln't find actual numbers for Japan in English to compare, but 5M would be AMAZING for any cartoon here, I think.


Avatar: The Last Airbender saw those kind of numbers. Spongebob too. Gravity Falls and Ben 10 all got into the 4 millions as well. Our cartoon industry is no slouch either. Still we could use more variety.
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Posted 11/24/14
Well...

Panty and Stocking. CLEARLY! Had the Western influence.
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Posted 11/24/14

MysticGon wrote:


windsagio wrote:



The other thing to remember is that the US is a much bigger market than japan, both in general population (US has almost 3x the population) and in median age (US median is almost 10 years younger), so that 1M viewers in Japan is a lot more meaningful in the target demo than the 1M in the US.

The highest rated show (per a quick search) in the US rated 23M viewers. I coudln't find actual numbers for Japan in English to compare, but 5M would be AMAZING for any cartoon here, I think.


Avatar: The Last Airbender saw those kind of numbers. Spongebob too. Gravity Falls and Ben 10 all got into the 4 millions as well. Our cartoon industry is no slouch either. Still we could use more variety.


Rad, didn't know they did that well.

I think though, the conclusion out of that has to be 'at least if you separate it out from western cartoons anime is much more fringe in the US than Japan'. The whether there is a much bigger subject that has been talked to death :D
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windsagio wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


windsagio wrote:



The other thing to remember is that the US is a much bigger market than japan, both in general population (US has almost 3x the population) and in median age (US median is almost 10 years younger), so that 1M viewers in Japan is a lot more meaningful in the target demo than the 1M in the US.

The highest rated show (per a quick search) in the US rated 23M viewers. I coudln't find actual numbers for Japan in English to compare, but 5M would be AMAZING for any cartoon here, I think.


Avatar: The Last Airbender saw those kind of numbers. Spongebob too. Gravity Falls and Ben 10 all got into the 4 millions as well. Our cartoon industry is no slouch either. Still we could use more variety.


Rad, didn't know they did that well.

I think though, the conclusion out of that has to be 'at least if you separate it out from western cartoons anime is much more fringe in the US than Japan'. The whether there is a much bigger subject that has been talked to death :D


Yeah, unless kids can't tell the difference. I don't know what Pokemon's ratings were but since seemingly everyone knows about it and it was on basic television the number could be huge. Similarly to how Curious George is doing gangbusters in Japan right now... That's when the audience is too young to be biased.
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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14
Anime is made in Japan and has a Japanese script, so it's intended to be watched by a Japanese audience.
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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14

sonic720 wrote:

It depends on what you mean by popular I guess. As a percentage of the whole of the United States, it is a lot lower here than in Japan where the percentage of viewers is higher. However, if we go by raw amounts of viewers in both countries, then I'd image they are pretty close if not the US having more simply because there are three times as many people living in the US than Japan.

But like others have said, Japanese anime is most certainly catered toward the Japanese audience by and large with very few exceptions.


Your first paragraph is an interesting statement, but I think you're definitely right on that.

Also everyone seems to forget Pokemon. That is an anime that is made in Japan and more catered for Western audiences.
Posted 11/25/14
The question isn't who it's made for. It's where it's most popular.

My library has a manga section, anime DVD's, the whole lot. Pretty much 98% of the people I know like anime and manga, and they're not even that adept at Japanese culture.

I'd say, right now at this very moment, it's even. In the next ten years....it won't be even.

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