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Race Relations and Issues
Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/27/14
Alright. We're done here.

I'm ending this thread now. It was a mistake posting it, and it just got out of hand. If mods wanna delete it, go ahead.

Let's just move back onto anime, manga, and kawaii, okay.

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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14
Well, considering they're rioting over this Michael fellow's death it seems a little bit silly.

And it seems silly because the kid was caught robbing a convenience store for cigarettes shortly before the encounter with the officer and not to mention the physical assault he made on the officer. He has been speculated as being a juvenile offender with a very touchy history with the illegal possession of firearms for the most-part, which coincides with the report of him initially grabbing for the officer's handgun after he'd attacked him into his cruiser, the wounds of where the officer clearly said the gun had shot the boy's hand as he kept trying to grab at it. What an incredibly odd depiction these people make of him, saying that he is a "Gentle" person and that he has "never caused any trouble". Don't even get me started on the presence of THC in his blood.

These people are just digging an even deeper hole for themselves by acting so childishly over something they know next to nothing about.

Instead of presuming innocence, why not actually weigh the probability of some things? I'll never understand what they expect of the "Justice" system.

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Posted 11/25/14
Police One has a good article on the evidence in the case and why Officer Darren Wilson wasn't indicted for some more background on the case: http://www.policeone.com/Crowd-Control/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/

Long Story Short: People corroborated his story that he was attacked and that meets the state's definition of justification of force.

On this same topic. 1) Rioting is a terrible idea and only hurts the community these people are saying they support; 2) The Brown family has condemned the rioting and asked people to not do it as...it hurts the community; 3) I tend to agree with those who say that cops should haveh cameras on their person (If they did nothing wrong, it will exhonerate them, if they did - it's evidence).
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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14

AiYumega wrote:

I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty tired of hearing about Ferguson, Missouri. Unless you've been living under a large rock for the past few months and days, you probably know what I'm talking about. The TL;DR is

Young black kid gets shot by white cop, cop gets off scot free.



I think your use of TLDR is a great example of why the public reacts the way it does to incidents like the one in Ferguson. The media takes incomplete accounts of what occurred, and makes the most provocative parts the headline. They rush the 'news' to the public in an attempt to beat their competitors and get the best ratings/sales/clicks. Then they play catch-up as the facts emerge, but by then they are chipping away at the sensational narrative that has already become set in the public mind.

The TLDR version of events you used in the quote above looks very different with the addition of only a few details...

18 year-old black robbery suspect assaults white police officer; suspect is shot and killed.

And then if we add a few more details...

6'4", 290lb, 18 year old robbery suspect assaults police officer in car. Officer claims the suspect attempted to take his gun, then retreated when two shots were fired and suspect was wounded on the hand. Officer gave chase, and claims the suspect turned to charge at him. Officer fired 10 more rounds, the suspect is hit 6 more times, and dies.

Now, there's still plenty of troubling things in the more detailed account...you can argue about the conflicting witness accounts, or you can question whether the forensic evidence is accurate. Regardless, the details which the grand jury had to consider paint a very different picture than the TLDR version the media shamelessly peddles to this day.
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Posted 11/25/14
i don't get why people decide to destroy the private property of individuals who had nothing to do with the case. They're all idiots.
Posted 11/25/14

Raimu4 wrote:

More like, black kid assault cops and monkeys burn and loot everything they can.
#PantsUpDontLoot

inb4 he wuz a good boy he didn do nuffin!





I'd say there's less crude ways of saying it but okay.
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Posted 11/25/14
I would suggest you look up the surveillance video of Brown robbing a store prior to making your assumptions. I assure you, this 300 lb 6'4" man was certainly no boy. The officier did was needed to be done in order to protect his life and potentially those around him in a moments notice.
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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14
Every single witness agrees that the officer used force. While some of their stories are a bit suspicious (such as the subtle tweaks and changes in how they recount things transpiring) it's still not a fact to be dismissed. Furthermore, it isn't just Michael's friends nor members of the community that witnessed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FLrCgsLXCQ

Even if the officer's actions were justified and proven to be in self-defense I would still want him fired -- perhaps not convicted but fired none the less. The common statement is that the officer panicked and that's why the bullets are fired but if so that's the exact reason why he shouldn't be a police officer. It's a tough fucking job and if you can't handle it without going gung-ho on an unarmed teenager because he resisted arrest you shouldn't be one. For God's sake, it's not a hard nut to crack. Either the officer is guilty of murder/manslaughter and should be convicted or he's not doing his job to enforce public peace correctly and should be fired. Want proof of that? Because of this officer's actions the entire town of Ferguson went insane and began rioting. If his actions in the line of duty are going to cause dangers to the society like this, even if indirectly, then he shouldn't be allowed to pursue this line of career-work.

Also a noteworthy mention is the actions that had been taken on the side of law-enforcement. The riots are completely unjustifiable and whoever would take part in them is despicable but the protests should be fine. Yet we have officers respond like this in scenarios where it's simply peaceful protesting:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/us/missouri-police-officer-suspended/

Regardless of whatever stance you take I think we can all agree that, when we analyze the facts, Ferguson's law enforcement department doesn't appear too promising. It seems that its officers have a tendency to respond with excessive force and/or threats of it. That NEEDS to change. It shouldn't be a suggestion -- it should be a requirement. Their duty is to protect the town and if they're going to instead insist on threatening innocent protesters or loading unarmed teenagers full of lead in bursts of panic, rage, or anything of the sort.

By the way, here's an interesting fact of information: Michael Brown had no criminal record.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-no-record/14041457/

Even if the officer is innocent he still made a mistake -- even if justifiable. Keep that in mind before we start singing out praise to the "poor agents of justice" in Ferguson whom have been "ever so wrongfully accused of such horrid acts that couldn't possibly have been their doing".
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Posted 11/25/14
Alot of white people get gunned down by police too... yet.. no one ever riots over that.

I do agree there is a certain amount of racial prejudice in certain parts of the world and that it should be addressed; however, it seems as if anything involves a white person and a black person it is automatically racist.

Being a police officer is a terrifying job, you are risking your life to stop crime. Sometimes police officers get nervous and make a stupid decision. I dont know all the facts of the case, so i cant say if he is guilty or if he is innocent.

Rioting is never a good way to get the world to change, Rioting only makes the group doing the rioting appear violent and uneducated.

The best way to change the world is through positive force and positive movements. Violence and hate only breed more violence and hatred.

Peaceful protesting is often the best form of resistance, as it allows you to get your point across and to get your point across properly and clearly.

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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14
I feel like, as a white male I would expect to be shot as well if I heavily assaulted a police officer. And I'm only 6'3 190 lbs. Practically a waif compared to Michael Brown. I don't know why this is a race issue. There's a reason I'm compliant and polite when I've dealt with police in the past- they are armed.
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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14

Psyforce wrote:

I would suggest you look up the surveillance video of Brown robbing a store prior to making your assumptions. I assure you, this 300 lb 6'4" man was certainly no boy. The officier did was needed to be done in order to protect his life and potentially those around him in a moments notice.


Actually, he's 6'5 and weighs 289 pounds. But that's just me being picky about specifics. Or, rather, that WAS his height and weight.
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Posted 11/25/14
I really dont understand why people decided it would be a good idea to come to Saint Louis just to riot. If you think that all of these protestors are here because the honestly belive Michael Brown was in the right, I'm here to inform you that you are quite wrong.
As of a couple of hours ago, over 80 people had been arrested for looting last night (they were identified via camera footage), exactly one of them was from the saint louis metroplitan area.

TL;DR: if you want to riot and loot, do it in your own @#$%^& town please.
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Posted 11/25/14

wingsday wrote:
TL;DR: if you want to riot and loot, do it in your own @#$%^& town please.


Or better yet don't riot at all.
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Posted 11/25/14
I guess not caring about someone dying on the other side of the world means I live under a rock.
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Posted 11/25/14
I've been in massive arguments with people on Facebook over this today, and was sort of expecting more of the same sort of ridiculous justifications for "hating the man" on this thread. So I'm pleased to see people are looking at this issue pretty rationally at the moment.

For all these months I honestly just didn't care which way the case ended up going. I respect the jury's decision though since it's mostly based on physical evidence. There's a good reason we have an actual judicial system instead of lynch mobs....I don't know what people's concept of "justice" is, but if it has nothing to do with existing law then I want no part in it. FFS.
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