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So I Indulge In Things That Objectify Women?
Posted 11/28/14 , edited 11/28/14
So after a late night of debauchery and sin, I come to a realization. I come to value things which may or may not objectify women. I adore catgirls, and dakimakuras, but it doesn't bother me, and the occasional hentai, when I come to a stark realization. If I treat women based on how I view them in such medias, objectifying them would be a problem, but if I don't, than that means...where was I going with this?

So what is objectification to you? Is it bad to objectify? Can I indulge in medias that objectify women and still fight for equal pay for women? Do I have to throw out the dakimakuras I accumulated over the years?

Edit: Oh yes, I believe that objectifying is only a problem because people treat others based on what they have seen in medias, learning to treat them as objects and not human beings. I'd say it is an idiot issue, but I am well aware of the subtle effects of such medias on the human mind.
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Posted 11/28/14
I don't think it's bad to indulge in such pleasures but too much of a good thing is bad.
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Posted 11/28/14 , edited 12/2/14
We all have wants, needs, and desires. Don't demonize yourself just because of that. Just remember to take everything in moderation.

Everyone is trying to be so politically correct anymore these days. Everyone is so afraid of offending anyone else (as long as it's not someone who disagrees with them). Everyone lately ignores the fact that we're all human and none of us are perfect. Do not let hypocrites sway you. As an example, you can absolutely enjoy a raunchy porno, then turn right around and go and cast your vote for a bill that directly affects women's rights on election day. That does not make you a bad person, nor does it make you a contradiction. Those are two different things.

Again, everything in moderation. The moment you try recreating that porno with real people who aren't okay with that, then you've crossed a line. Find the line, don't cross it, and you should be fine.
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Posted 11/28/14 , edited 11/28/14
Boobs, legs, asses, waists, eyes, hair, clothes, accessories, and even brains are all objects. To treat them as objects is not wrong, as women are objects -- men are too.

However, when we talk about thought, personality, behavior, feelings -- these are not objects, and thus women, and men, are not wholly objects. It is not wrong to treat objects as objects, and objectifying women for the admirable objects they are is not wrong. Maintaining that they are not subjects as well, however, is wrong because women are also subjects. (All this seems almost ridiculously obvious to me)

So, basically, what I'm saying is: don't treat boobs as though they have a personality, and don't treat personality as mere matter. Recognize that both "are" women, and you're probably doing alright.
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Posted 11/28/14
I think you're examining the subject with sufficient maturity, insight, and respect for this to not be a substantial problem as far as your end of things is concerned.
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Posted 11/28/14
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectify

to treat (someone) as an object rather than as a person


Keyword being treat and someone. So no, you're not objectifying women by liking catgirls. And even if you were within technical definition it still would be far from immoral, rude, etc.
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Posted 11/28/14
It only becomes wrong when rights become infringed someone gets harmed.

I would say that it's alright to indulge in media that objectify women, as long as you don't let it affect your view of them, but sadly there would be impressionable people who would treat that kind of media as real, and copy it in real life. But we're all attracted to one gender, or another (unless you're asexual), and I'm sure many people, women included, have fantasies that are pretty nsfw, so it would be hypocritical to condemn one another for enjoying that kind of media.
Posted 11/28/14

theYchromosome wrote:

Boobs, legs, asses, waists, eyes, hair, clothes, accessories, and even brains are all objects. To treat them as objects is not wrong, as women are objects -- men are too.

However, when we talk about thought, personality, behavior, feelings -- these are not objects, and thus women, and men, are not wholly objects. It is not wrong to treat objects as objects, and objectifying women for the admirable objects they are is not wrong. Maintaining that they are not subjects as well, however, is wrong because women are also subjects. (All this seems almost ridiculously obvious to me)

So, basically, what I'm saying is: don't treat boobs as though they have a personality, and don't treat personality as mere matter. Recognize that both "are" women, and you're probably doing alright.


This is more along the lines of my thoughts.
Are not cat women fantasies? Are they not objects which we admire? They don't have the thought processes and feelings independent of what we give them, so what's the harm?
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Posted 11/28/14 , edited 11/28/14
There was an interesting article once that I read making a point that if anything, the problem with stuff like anime is not 'objectification', but 'personification': you can't objectify an anime drawing or a dakimakura because let's face it, they ALREADY are objects. They aren't living, breathing things. If anything, it is the process through which your brain allows you to identify those abstract lines as a human being that make you able to feel something for them - or should I say, through them, as they basically act as a means of evoking in your mind the image of a real, breathing girl.

Long story short, I share the opinion of many others here: I don't think it makes anyone a misogynist by default, not any more than playing Street Fighter ever made me a violent punk who likes to punch the shit out of anyone he meets. I think in fact the one step that really matters is one you already made, namely self-awareness. If we observe the effects that media induce in us we can be more detached from them. If you just let yourself be swept by them and you shape your morals and ethics on TV shows more than on philosophy then it means you're basically a Homer Simpson kind of idiot. In fact, one of the things I think work less in the current feminist movement is exactly this one: they make a big fuss about these subtle effects, but in the end these discussions always target other cultured, self-aware people who are not nearly as strongly influenced by media as they made them out to be. While the actual people who is are probably mostly a bunch of hillybillies whose average reaction to any complex feminist essay would be "HURR DURR THIS CHICK IS A NEEEEERD".
Posted 11/28/14 , edited 11/28/14
Sexual attraction is not objectification. Unless you are consciously and deliberately looking at someone and seeing them as nothing more than a tool for you to use, then in my opinion you are not objectifying them. For example, if you see a girl walk by and think "she's really pretty" or "damn, she's hot" or even "she's got a nice rack" I, personally, wouldn't consider it as objectification. You're just attracted to them, that's all. We are, after all, instinctively hardwired to pick sexual partners based on traits we find appealing (you know passing on good genes to our offspring yada yada yada..). I honestly see nothing wrong with that. I mean, you have to start somewhere. How the heck do you know if someone has an amazing personality at first sight? Now, if you see someone and you think "she'd be great as arm candy" or "that's a fine baby factory, right there" without any intention of acknowledging that they are also complex human beings, then that is what I would consider as objectification. Both sexes do this by the way. And in my opinion it's not really a gendered issue.

So yeah, physical attraction or admiring someone for their physical traits is not objectification. It only becomes that when you choose to disregard the fact that they are human beings with complex thoughts, personalities, and emotions.

Oh yeah, here's an interesting take on it by Karen Straughan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-N9daqANcw
Posted 11/28/14
Well, if you look at my profile there's pictures of girls and women and some people would say it's objectification that I don't have any larger girls or anything else like that. "Why are you only putting the most cute girls? You're objectifying women". In reality, we all objectify people to a certain extent.

Go to any bar or nightclub. Everyone is "objectifying" each other by picking the person who looks most attractive to them, and trying to get them in a romantic or sexual way, or that in the future.





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Posted 11/28/14 , edited 11/28/14
I like women, I like looking at women, I love the female body; that's not objectification, that's appreciation.

You're only objectifying someone if you look at them as an object and not as a human being.

I enjoy sex, I enjoy spending time with girls, is that objectifying women? no its not, its appreciation.

Objectifying them would be if i did all of those things and never thought of them as a human being, and only thought of them as a tool for sex and or pleasure; and i don't do that. Being open and true to your sexual desires is a normal human experience, It only becomes objectifying when you stop recognizing the other person as a human and only as your tool for the "fix" you need.
Posted 11/28/14
I am relieved you people happen to share similar views on these issues, though I am not sure that objectification can only be done by humans...not sure at all.
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Posted 11/28/14


Animals do it in a similar sense, where males fight to prove they are worthy of being a females mate (pretty much a whose the most bad ass competition)

There are also ALOT of animals like cuttlefish that change the color of their skin in bright and flashy patterns in order to attract a mate (the female often goes for the male who displays the most beautiful colors)

Objectification is a term that has been misused as of late by alot of "social justice warriors". All forms of life are attracted to things they find beautiful; living creatures seek to be aesthetically pleased.
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I think the media has a huge effect on how people think so in that sense it might be wrong. If you are able to clearly seperate how they should be treated then you can drool as much as you want with a clear conscience.
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