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Posted 11/29/14

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Can I just go with shounen, is that a thing?


A lot of works fall under that category. Now if you are referring to shonen like Naruto and Bleach, sure, but you got to be more specific.

That being said, cookie cutter protagonists getting all the girls for some bullshit reason. No effort needed.

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Welcome to the world Animemon.

Animemons were cliches while Legendary Animemons were Originality.
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nemoskull wrote:

the dense protag.
one ichika was okay. past that its just damn annoying.
we need more issei's.


I completely agree. We also need more Godous (Campione) and Akatsuki Ousawas (Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero). Both of these guys know the effect they have on women. I also like the protagonist in Fruits of Grisala. He understands his effect on women and uses it to help them.
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HandTye wrote:

The childhood promise is kind of tired.

I also don't understand how common the "I'm late for class, so I'm gonna run wit toast in my mouth."


Posted 11/29/14

HandTye wrote:

The childhood promise is kind of tired.



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How about we talk about the amazing anime cliches, such as nosebleeds:

Posted 11/29/14 , edited 4/30/15

duude1991 wrote:

How about we talk about the amazing anime cliches, such as nosebleeds:



I hate convenient censoring, I mean, I wanna see nipples and buttcrack, goddamit.
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Posted 11/29/14 , edited 11/29/14

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


duude1991 wrote:

How about we talk about the amazing anime cliches, such as nosebleeds:



I hate convenient censoring, I mean, I wanna see nipples and buttcrack, goddamit.


Go watch porn then.
Posted 11/29/14 , edited 11/29/14

xxJing wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


duude1991 wrote:

How about we talk about the amazing anime cliches, such as nosebleeds:



I hate convenient censoring, I mean, I wanna see nipples and buttcrack, goddamit.


Go watch porn then.


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Posted 11/29/14 , edited 4/30/15

BigChocolate wrote:

Can I just go with shounen, is that a thing?


This. That entire generic genre of anime. With the FIGHTING THROUGH THE IMPOSSIBLE ON WILLPOWER ALONE crap to the thing where someone says something that's supposed to be profound and another character just responds with their name.

If I'm being fair, that second one is a cliche in more than just shounen. I've also said it in another thread asking this very same question.

So this thread is also kind of a cliche, I guess.
Posted 11/29/14

Kunami_Mata wrote:


BigChocolate wrote:

Can I just go with shounen, is that a thing?


This. That entire generic genre of anime. With the FIGHTING THROUGH THE IMPOSSIBLE ON WILLPOWER ALONE crap to the thing where someone says something that's supposed to be profound and another character just responds with their name.

If I'm being fair, that second one is a cliche in more than just shounen. I've also said it in another thread asking this very same question.

So this thread is also kind of a cliche, I guess.


That's more of a stereotype I believe, but I could be wrong. But it's like saying horror is generic for being horror. Shonen isn't the problem, it's the tropes used. Due to it being a genre, some elements must be included, thus some tropes must also be included as well.
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Posted 11/29/14

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

That's more of a stereotype I believe, but I could be wrong. But it's like saying horror is generic for being horror. Shonen isn't the problem, it's the tropes used. Due to it being a genre, some elements must be included, thus some tropes must also be included as well.


A stereotype is, by its very definition, a cliche. It is a conventional or formulaic thing or idea. It becomes a stereotype, or cliche, by virtue of having happened repeatedly. They are what you would call synonyms. There may be room for a little nuance there, but they mean the same basic thing.

And on that note, a genre is not a genre without adhering to known stereotypes or cliches. That's what makes it part of a genre (i.e. what it does that makes it like other programs of its ilk). And since the question in this thread was not asking what a cliche or stereotype was, but rather which cliches we might not enjoy so much, that is my answer. Almost every generic shounen cliche out there.
Posted 11/29/14

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

That's more of a stereotype I believe, but I could be wrong. But it's like saying horror is generic for being horror. Shonen isn't the problem, it's the tropes used. Due to it being a genre, some elements must be included, thus some tropes must also be included as well.


A stereotype is, by its very definition, a cliche. It is a conventional or formulaic thing or idea. It becomes a stereotype, or cliche, by virtue of having happened repeatedly. They are what you would call synonyms. There may be room for a little nuance there, but they mean the same basic thing.

And on that note, a genre is not a genre without adhering to known stereotypes or cliches. That's what makes it part of a genre (i.e. what it does that makes it like other programs of its ilk). And since the question in this thread was not asking what a cliche or stereotype was, but rather which cliches we might not enjoy so much, that is my answer. Almost every generic shounen cliche out there.


I see, but I believe shonen encompasses more than people realize. It is a reference to the demographic watching it, and many people in that age group are interested in many different things.
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Posted 11/29/14

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I see, but I believe shonen encompasses more than people realize. It is a reference to the demographic watching it, and many people in that age group are interested in many different things.


It's a reference to the demographic in name only. Which is another strawman distracting from the real point I was making.

And that is that I do not like shounen anime. It is perfectly alright for me to not like it. Many, many other people do, which is why so much of it is made, and why it is able to develop so many tired cliches. People like those cliches. I am not one of those people, which again, was the point of this thread.
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Posted 11/29/14

Kunami_Mata wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I see, but I believe shonen encompasses more than people realize. It is a reference to the demographic watching it, and many people in that age group are interested in many different things.


It's a reference to the demographic in name only. Which is another strawman distracting from the real point I was making.

And that is that I do not like shounen anime. It is perfectly alright for me to not like it. Many, many other people do, which is why so much of it is made, and why it is able to develop so many tired cliches. People like those cliches. I am not one of those people, which again, was the point of this thread.


In general shonen usually refers to animes that are inspirational and are about overcoming challenges. They are usually light on drama and romance and heavy in competition and comedy. They are supposed to get your adrenaline pumped and make you feel good and excited. I tend to like them. There are shoujo series out there almost exactly like shonens (Card Captor Sakura, DNAngel) except they have the romance cranked up a few notches. I like those a lot too.

I actually like most genres, the only one I can't stand is that style of shoujo where the main female gets obsessive and the male characters get abusive and rapey. Those always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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