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The truth about Corporal Punishment, proof.
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The argument that corporal punishment is unnecessary to attain proper learning and socialization objectives has a growing body of evidence supporting it, as the APA acknowledges here:

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

That article also offers some alternative starting points for corporal punishment and an explanation of how they're supposed to work.

Note how I accomplished that without the use of the phrase "goddamn mother horse fuck", and think about what that means for future arguments you may assemble. There's a nugget of truth in that garbled mess of screaming through your keyboard, but it pays to bear in mind that shrieking and howling at people isn't the most effective way to deliver facts, figures, research, and persuasive argumentation. It also helps to not present sources like "endcorporalpunishment.org" as though they were unbiased representatives, but that's a whole other matter. The main point to keep in mind is that this attempt at persuasion and presenting information is so flawed, so immediately accusatory and hostile, as to be worthless in its endeavor to produce the desired effect.

As for this:


Corporal Punishment was created by misleading bible translations that were made in the old generation in the 10th century, which caused slavery.


...the first people to think up corporal punishment was the ancient Israelites, a people which built their entire ethnic origin myth around having escaped from slavery and torment under the yoke of ancient Egyptian oppressors. Yeah, I'm going to go with "no" on this one.
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Hakuna Matata!~
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


Sogno- wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

Speak roughly to your little boy,
And beat him when he sneezes:
He only does it to annoy,
Because he knows it teases.

Wow! wow! wow!

I speak severely to my boy,
I beat him when he sneezes;
For he can thoroughly enjoy
The pepper when he pleases!


did u write it

i like rhyming


alice in wonderland


it makes perfect sense now. and i even call myself an alice fan.
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Wow...just wow
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i cant say im "fine" yet, but i was raised by severe corporal punishment and some...
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Corporal punishment is detrimental to a child's development. Studies actually show that parents who engage in physical punishment are usually of low socioeconomical levels too/come from collectivistic cultures anyway so in a sense it's a barbaric and outdated method to raise the generations to come. Honestly, there are other ways to discipline and if your child still refuses to cooperate and continues to exhibit signs of "poor" behavior there's a likelihood that there's an underlying problem in which case you should bring them to a child psychologist to see if they have behavioral problems. Hitting them is a surefire way to teach them that using violence is an effective way to achieve desired results. If you don't know how to control a child without hitting them you should 1) not have kids 2) perhaps be more creative and take some parenting classes or if you're too stubborn and lazy: 3) sterilize yourself. Also, those who claim that they "turned out fine" and say stuff like "if my parents never hit me I'd be out of control": 1) you cannot speak for everyone, 2) clearly this is a perfect example of Stockholm syndrome.
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Corporal punishment is detrimental to a child's development.


It can be, and that's the problem: it offers no benefits which can't be obtained in its absence and risks inflicting emotional and psychological harm in the meantime. There are more productive alternatives.


Studies actually show that parents who engage in physical punishment are usually of low socioeconomical levels too/come from collectivistic cultures anyway so in a sense it's a barbaric and outdated method to raise the generations to come.


What's barbaric and/or outdated about collectivism? There is no such thing as a human society without it, nor has there ever been.


Honestly, there are other ways to discipline and if your child still refuses to cooperate and continues to exhibit signs of "poor" behavior there's a likelihood that there's an underlying problem in which case you should bring them to a child psychologist to see if they have behavioral problems.


That's true, but here's the flip-side of that: you've noted that people who resort to corporal punishment have been found to often be of low socioeconomic status. That means psychological care resources aren't easily accessible for them. Part of the challenge for reducing invocation of corporal punishment must necessarily include increasing access to these resources, which is but one of many of the reasons I support a single-payer healthcare system supported by income tax revenue and which includes psychiatric care. What do you think of that?


Hitting them is a surefire way to teach them that using violence is an effective way to achieve desired results. If you don't know how to control a child without hitting them you should 1) not have kids 2) perhaps be more creative and take some parenting classes or if you're too stubborn and lazy: 3) sterilize yourself. Also, those who claim that they "turned out fine" and say stuff like "if my parents never hit me I'd be out of control": 1) you cannot speak for everyone, 2) clearly this is a perfect example of Stockholm syndrome.


This is one way to combat ignorance, though as I have told the OP so shall I tell you: this sort of rhetoric tends to put people on the defensive and prevents your message from changing minds.
Posted 1/18/15
OP you have enlightened me. What must we do to end this primitive product of malicious mistranslations?
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Lala agrees with OP~

Corporal punishment is stupid and unnecessary.
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Hmm i grew up getting Corporal punishment even in high school i got paddled by principal.. Hell id choose licks over detention, much easier.. My dad thought it did something too.. But todays ideas of dealing with children mostly produces little shits.. So i still dont think i could endorse this... I dont think it helps much after early child rearing tho... Much easier to just make their life miserable with grounding and taking things away, long as you can stick to it, it works well. Having to live in a empty bedroom will ensure good grades in this house..
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Demographic info of me:

1) Single adult in the USA.
2) No offspring
3) Raised with what I believe many of those opposed to corporal punishment would call corporal punishment, though I myself would refer to as disciplining of an misbehaving child

Do I believe that corporal punishment is necessary in the development of an individual? Yes.
Do I believe that corporal punishment can go too far? Yes.

The difficulty of gauging the proper degree between "discipline" and "abuse" is one I have not had the chance myself to work on, lacking children (as I said above).

However, when my parents would bend me over their knee to apply a spanking, it was always both before and after explained (to the extent I could understand, I think I was four when I got my hide tanned for playing with the matches in the house, and all it was was "tell Mom or Dad if you find these, and do not touch them") exactly why I was getting smacks, and what should have been done instead, that would save me from a spanking.

As I grew older, the explanations expanded even as my understanding grew, and the punishments altered accordingly. I think the oldest I was ever bent over for a spanking was eight, maybe nine. Punishments changed as I grew to relate to things I wanted to do, privileges I had that were taken away for a time in response to my actions.

At no time that I can recall was I ever punished without it being explained why I was being dealt with in such a manner. This, to me, is one of the key differences between abuse and corrective discipline.

More and more today I see opinions exactly like those of the first post, and I just have to shake my head, because I'm seeing kids growing up and in the school system here without the concept of negative consequences for their actions. Oh, they'll grasp the positive consequences with both hands and feet but the mere idea that there are unacceptable actions, and that there are punishments to those actions, seems utterly foreign. Detentions, suspensions, and the threat (and in some cases, the actuality) of expulsion have no effect on some kids.

I do not know if those kids whose behavior is apparently uncontrollable by either a teaching authority or their own parents is due to a lack of corporal punishment in the home. It's illegal in the school system of the state in which I reside to issue corporal punishment, which to my mind is a good thing.

I believe that the only authority who should be deciding on whether or not corporal punishment should be applied to a child is their natural parent or legal guardian. And I absolutely believe that a requirement of real corporal punishment (as opposed to abuse) is the explanation of the reason, as suited to the understanding of the child re about to be hit.

Lacking a reason issued to the child, I believe that striking a child is abuse, full stop. However, when the child is made aware of the reason they're getting smacked, I believe that it is perfectly acceptable to apply the hand, within limits. I got I think a couple dozen smacks the day I was playing with matches, because I was actually lighting them in the front room and throwing them at the curtains. Could have burned the place down around my mom and my two younger sisters. When I went down the road to play with a friend and didn't tell my parents, I only got three or four.

So scale of punishment matters also, and helps the very young understand that there are separations, greater and lesser punishments. The worse the thing done, the worse the punishment, but all wrong things have a punishment.

And that's what I see in an increasing (still small, fortunately, but there are more now then there were ten, twelve years ago) number of students: the idea that they can do anything, and there is no bad result to fall on them.

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proof of OP's statement, right here.

there are things i might agree with under very specific and extreme conditions, such as when climbing glaciers and smaller bothers are trying out the edge and how nervous you get, anything less severe than that and im calling BS, anything less falls under the category of, even the adults disciplining you are in 99% of cases wrong, as 99% of people are about 99% of everything in 99% of their lives, so why should they be right about hitting children?

people tajke themselves and what they "know" far too seriously.
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I have gotten corporal punishment and I am fine (well kinda, but that isn't because of corporal punishment maybe). If a person deserves it then a person deserves it. Just don't got too far when you do it. How people are raising their kids today just make more disrespectful kids after another, so they should probably find another way to handle their kids (not saying that it has to be corporal punishment). Just raise your kids how you wanna and stop judging people on how they raise their kids if you know you can't change anything. I find that detentions, getting in trouble with the teachers, or telling me to not do something doesn't stop me all the time. You can't really judge corporal punishment if you were never spanked for a good reason and by a sane person.
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