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The truth about Corporal Punishment, proof.
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Love your children.

Beat Them.

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See, it's wearing the guise of a thread about corporal punishment. It is, however, transparently an anti-theist rant. Notice how everything, even violence and crime in Japan (a country with a tiny proportion of its population practicing any of the Abrahamic faiths) traces back to "misleading Bible translations". In Japan's case it is contended that this occurs through the work of manga/anime artists, which of course never produced violent content until they had read or heard about the Bible. Anything you hear about Japan closing itself off from foreigners socially, economically, politically, and spiritually for generations while still experiencing long bouts of disharmony and warfare are lies. LIES, I TELL YOU!
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I didn't read the whole of your little forum description thing but as a receiver of corporal punishment, I can say, it doesn't work. It's usuallt the people with the lowest morals that dish it out
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Morals?

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Phersu wrote:

Hakuna Matata!~


Preach it, Phersu!
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No, it's not a matter of parents lacking morals or ethics. Part of the problem is that parents frequently lack the resources to do what the OP is wanting them to do. It's all well and good to say that they shouldn't resort to corporal punishment even if non-corporal methods aren't panning out. It's all very happy and nice to say that they should take their child to a therapist and see if some deeper psychological issue is at fault. There's just one nagging question left to answer:

How are they going to pay for that?

Mental healthcare (as it turns out) costs money. Among the most significant challenges faced by any opponent of corporal punishment is to explain how to expand access to mental healthcare for children and adults. The amount and sort of expansion needed will, of course, depend largely upon what provisions are already in place, the quality of service provided through those provisions, the sufficiency of funding to provide all necessary services to anyone in need, which services are to be deemed necessary, what standards constitute being considered "in need", which funding methods are optimal, and so on.

The point is that people might be more willing to try the chain of actions that is being proposed by the OP if they had a clear idea of what they were supposed to do and had an assurance that they'd have the social support they needed to follow the chain to its end. Simply screaming "STOP SPANKING YOUR CHILDREN AND TAKE THEM TO A THERAPIST, DAMN IT!" is not a serious or practical way to approach this matter, and it won't do to simply demonize parents who employ corporal punishment when there are reasons for this which are far more plausible than their simply being morally and ethically deficient.
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I tip my hat to you. I always enjoy reading your posts.

I did read over all your posts on here and read the article. I can safely say I don't disagree with you. I can see where you are definitely coming from. Yeah there are other ways of discipline besides spanking and those may actually work better than spanking. While I was spanked as a kid it was rare and I do mean rare. Even as a kid I knew my mom meant no harm as she hated having to spank me. I'll even add that being spanked as a kid did scare me. I remember one time where I did something and my mom was like okay you will have to get a spanking when you get home. I went ahead and spanked myself to avoid the spanking. I don't think that most parents want to spank their kids because they want to harm them, they spank them because that is what they grew up with. I personally can't defend spanking as my experience is most likely different from someone else's. After reading your posts I read back over my original post replacing spanking with another alternative such as time out., and the same thing applies. Even with a time out the parent is still showing who the one in charge is and that life does have consequences. Do to your posts spanking feels very primitive now. Whether or not you completely changed my mind, I don't know. I would need to think on it more. I would also like to read more on your opinion and any sources that support your views.

I also want to thank you for being very mature with your arguments and not saying some curse word after every other word.
Posted 1/21/15
People who think violence solves problems are foolish, in my non-humble opinion.

It doesn't matter if a "child" deserves it or not. Your purpose as an adult is to understand that a child's brain is not fully developed as yours. They weren't brainwashed with moralities of society as you are. A child is innocent, pure and act outside of society's social conditioning, which may appear "unacceptable" to you. But if you were an intelligent person, you'd realise that children are naughty because they don't have the mental capacity of an adult.

Punishing children by violence advocates the acceptance of fear-driven discipline. It also demonstrates that you're an incompetent parent if you can't discipline your children by words alone.

The cycle continues.

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Children shouldn't have to feel fear, because you are an incompetent fool who doesn't understand children's psychology or how to control your anger.


I have no regrets about my opinion. Domestic abuse on children happens far more than "good discipline" and it leads to people being fucked up. And people are totally fine with this? That's not right.
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First, this post is incredibly immature and pathetic, sounds like my roommates ex-girlfriend wrote it; can't decide if it's a troll post or not.
Second, physical punishment helps a kid grow the hell up. I think it's a different case when it comes to boys vs. girls, I believe some boys need it to help them become men who can grow up to fend for themselves. Fathers and mothers should hit their girls too, but only in extreme cases, I've seen way too many bratty little shits out there who are in desperate need of a good smacking.

Mind, I wasn't excessively beaten or anything when I was younger (beating is not the same as corporal punishment), but whenever I said something seriously out of line or failed to do my schoolwork for the 14th time in a row, I was given quite a heavy open handed hit to the face from my dad. It's not only now that I appreciate those hits, but I even did back then an hour after i received them. I always understood that I was in the wrong and I deserved them. As well as the hour long lecture afterwards. I was never taught to fear my parents from any of this, I never felt driven by fear or any of the crap that everyone is spewing on this forum, I simply knew that if I slacked off or said something disrespectful to my heart's content, there would be consequences, and those consequences are a hell of a lot less than the ones that can happen to you when you're an adult. When you're a kid, the worst that can happen is a hit and a lecture. When you're an adult, you can lose things such as jobs, houses, cars, significant others, and much, much more. A little corporal punishment is a small price to pay to ready you for real life.

I'm incredibly happy with the way I turned out. I have respect towards others and I have a sense of responsibility, and I do fully believe I owe it all to the way I was raised by my parents. And their corporal punishment.
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You again?
I probably have a good idea what the post is about so I'm not going to bother to read it.........
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I'm curious how you 'test' corporal punishment on kids, and isn't unethical to do that kind of test?

Researcher: "Okay kids, thanks for volunteering...for the next few weeks, all of you with names beginning A-M will get a stern talking-to for any misbehavior, while those with names N-Z will get the snot beat out of them."

Tommy Norton: "This is bullshit."
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Ctonhunter wrote:

I tip my hat to you. I always enjoy reading your posts.


Happy to please!


I did read over all your posts on here and read the article. I can safely say I don't disagree with you. I can see where you are definitely coming from. Yeah there are other ways of discipline besides spanking and those may actually work better than spanking. While I was spanked as a kid it was rare and I do mean rare. Even as a kid I knew my mom meant no harm as she hated having to spank me. I'll even add that being spanked as a kid did scare me. I remember one time where I did something and my mom was like okay you will have to get a spanking when you get home. I went ahead and spanked myself to avoid the spanking. I don't think that most parents want to spank their kids because they want to harm them, they spank them because that is what they grew up with. I personally can't defend spanking as my experience is most likely different from someone else's. After reading your posts I read back over my original post replacing spanking with another alternative such as time out., and the same thing applies. Even with a time out the parent is still showing who the one in charge is and that life does have consequences. Do to your posts spanking feels very primitive now. Whether or not you completely changed my mind, I don't know. I would need to think on it more.


Thanks for sharing your perspective in greater detail, and I look forward to further conversation with you as we move forward.


I would also like to read more on your opinion and any sources that support your views.


Let me work on it for a bit.


I also want to thank you for being very mature with your arguments and not saying some curse word after every other word.


You're welcome.
Posted 1/24/15
Well. What if twisted people started disappearing from community. That would be rather boring wouldn't it? Keep hitting the kids, parents.
Posted 2/1/15
My mom locked me up and i'd go hungry for the day until I could read bits of what she assigned lol.
She chased me around with a knife once and had different weapons for spanking lol. One time, she used the large spoon she cooks soup with lmao. It's all good thou, those are fond memories.

We just need to understand how it happened and preventing what doesn't work from happening. For me, I understand why she did it, I didn't display a lot of fear or feeling of pain lol so she'd need to up her game.

OP was a troll post from the many times i've seen it but oh well, it was funny lol
Posted 2/17/15
Used to get the belt and the hanger ALL the time.

There was also that one time I was made to kneel on a basin of rock salt for half an hour.

And that time when I was beaten to within an inch of my life. (Just kidding.. It wasn't THAT bad. Just kind of)

Oh, and that time I had to sit at the table for like 3 hours until I finished everything on my plate. That was the worst.

Fun stuff...

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I was going to let this die off instead of bumping it, but I'm impressed by the copy/paste technique at work here! This person must've made a streak of A+ in High School!
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