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Haruhi Suzumiya Endless Eight
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I watched all eight of them in English. I was able to recite what they were saying after a while.
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I watched all of them (at least twice now, in fact), but still think it was an interesting idea way way overdone to the point of being ridiculous. The generally negative reaction many people had is completely understandable. Repeating it maybe up to three times would have been more than sufficient to get the point across.


This. Holy crap, this. Though I only watched it once.

Seriously, I had Endless Hate figured out at the end of the second episode of it. I don't care about the subtle differences, or the eight different ways they figured out how to fit symbolism into the episode or whatnot, past episode three it was a chore to watch.

I mean, were we really supposed to feel how Yuki felt after all that? I mean, Yuki was bored out of her mind and if she were a regular human being she'd be banging her head against things out of sheer insanity and boredom.

But when you think about this, is subjecting the audience to immense boredom and tedium a good way to entertain them? And if this really is entertainment, what about all the other anime that people rail against for being just plain boring? Why should this show get a free pass?

... There are so many contradictions here, I don't even think I need to answer this. Endless Eight was a puzzle, but it didn't need eight different but extremely similar episodes for someone to crack it, or to convey everything that needed to be said.

What could have been done to make it actually entertaining... well, yeah - limit it to three or four episodes. You wanna skip faster, make Yuki the main character for an episode and blow past four or five iterations.

... Or of course, another thing they could have done is not adapt Endless Eight, and instead use those eight episodes for other light novel story arcs, since were plenty to choose from. I guess you could at least take this as an experiment on how to convey all the frustration and boredom that a certain character felt by making the audience feel it ad nauseum. But KyoAni... I don't know why you felt you needed that experiment when literally multiple milleniums worth of humans entertaining other humans would tell you not to do it, but take that experiment, kill it with fire, and never do it again.
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CaelK wrote:


sushipath wrote:

I watched all of them (at least twice now, in fact), but still think it was an interesting idea way way overdone to the point of being ridiculous. The generally negative reaction many people had is completely understandable. Repeating it maybe up to three times would have been more than sufficient to get the point across.


This. Holy crap, this. Though I only watched it once.

Seriously, I had Endless Hate figured out at the end of the second episode of it. I don't care about the subtle differences, or the eight different ways they figured out how to fit symbolism into the episode or whatnot, past episode three it was a chore to watch.

I mean, were we really supposed to feel how Yuki felt after all that? I mean, Yuki was bored out of her mind and if she were a regular human being she'd be banging her head against things out of sheer insanity and boredom.

But when you think about this, is subjecting the audience to immense boredom and tedium a good way to entertain them? And if this really is entertainment, what about all the other anime that people rail against for being just plain boring? Why should this show get a free pass?

... There are so many contradictions here, I don't even think I need to answer this. Endless Eight was a puzzle, but it didn't need eight different but extremely similar episodes for someone to crack it, or to convey everything that needed to be said.

What could have been done to make it actually entertaining... well, yeah - limit it to three or four episodes. You wanna skip faster, make Yuki the main character for an episode and blow past four or five iterations.

... Or of course, another thing they could have done is not adapt Endless Eight, and instead use those eight episodes for other light novel story arcs, since were plenty to choose from. I guess you could at least take this as an experiment on how to convey all the frustration and boredom that a certain character felt by making the audience feel it ad nauseum. But KyoAni... I don't know why you felt you needed that experiment when literally multiple milleniums worth of humans entertaining other humans would tell you not to do it, but take that experiment, kill it with fire, and never do it again.
It worked perfectly judging by your comment here, just saying you illustrated the point it was trying to make. They did the right thing, it makes you frustrated and insanely bored like Yuki

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I liked the slight changes in them, after i realised I wasn't losing it
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I remember being in a Best Buy (probably in 2012) with a $25 gift card and seeing the DVD of it for $20. I've been kicking myself for quite some time for not buying it. Aside from missing my chance to see it (legally), if you check the used prices on it, you'll see why.

DVD is on amazon for $25... BD/DVD combo is $150... did they even release it on BD? I never saw it...


Yes, they did release it in a Blu-ray/DVD combo. When Bandai announced that they were going to stop distributing anime, I made sure to pick up of the movie before the pricing for it started to get crazy.
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DVD is on amazon for $25... BD/DVD combo is $150... did they even release it on BD? I never saw it...

Looking at the Disappearance listings for Blu-ray, I only see the $35.99 one shipped from Hong Kong. At least per the listing it has English subtitles, and the fact it is region encoded makes it unlikely it is a bootleg. I can't recall if Bandai ever released it on Blu-ray here in the US.

Can you give me the link for the DVD you are seeing at Amazon for $25? The lowest cost one I'm seeing is Region 3 for $26.99. The lowest cost Region 1 DVD I am seeing there is $119.99.

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aidenraine wrote:
DVD is on amazon for $25... BD/DVD combo is $150... did they even release it on BD? I never saw it...

Looking at the Disappearance listings for Blu-ray, I only see the $35.99 one shipped from Hong Kong. At least per the listing it has English subtitles, and the fact it is region encoded makes it unlikely it is a bootleg. I can't recall if Bandai ever released it on Blu-ray here in the US.


It was released on Blu-ray, as I own the Blu-ray/DVD combo pack version of the disappearance movie released by Bandai USA.

Here's a link to the old listing on Right Stuf:

http://www.rightstuf.com/i/av20858

EDIT: Unless you are talking strictly about Season 2 of Haruhi? In which case, no, that was only released on DVD by Bandai USA. I own the Japanese Blu-ray for that though.

Here's the Amazon listing for the Japanese BD Box set, with English subs and dub, that includes both Season 1 and 2:

http://www.amazon.com/Melancholy-Suzumiya-English-Blu-ray-Complete/dp/B003UTS85C
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Endless 8 was pretty interesting.

I had no idea what the hell was going on the first time I watched the series, and by the 3rd or 4th I just kept being more and more surprised that it wasn't ending. I thought there would be such an interesting twist too, but the fact it was all about summer homework completely floored me.

I don't know about other people, but when I watch an anime my favorite parts tend to be the stereotypical "summer vacation" arc that happens. And those slice of life type of "breather" episodes occur in a surprisingly wide array of genres. And I even had that feeling of happiness and familiarity when I watched the first episode of Endless 8 before the loop began.

So one of the first things I thought of as a concept to explain the rationale of the whole thing was "too much of a good thing" or "the truth of what could happen when getting what you wish for." Because I often have found myself wishing to see more and longer fun summer vacation side stories in anime. So from that angle it was pretty interesting to me (though obviously subjective since not everyone has my same tastes).

By the time I watched the Disappearance movie, all the pieces truly fell into place for me. By watching all those episodes I had a ton more empathy for the plight of Nagato than I would have if I had only read the Light Novel (of which Endless 8 was a minor occurance). It made the movie that much more emotionally satisfying to me.
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An artistically interesting and clever piece of work, but a poor business decision given that the consumer base for the series was interested in being entertained first and foremost.
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An artistically interesting and clever piece of work, but a poor business decision given that the consumer base for the series was interested in being entertained first and foremost.


Screw business, anime is an art form.
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I consider it one of the best things I've watched.
It pushed boundaries nobody is willing to push and executed very well.

I think the basic episode plot was dry, but the execution was great.
I especially liked the overall plot and how it unfolds.
Things change in every episode.
I mean, significant changes.
It isn't the fastest, but I considered watching all the changes pile up until the final episode to be very rewarding.
I've watched it 2-3 times.
I suppose I should say that I am not a particularly interesting person. It's definitely something that requires more patience than most people are willing to expend. It also probably helped kill any chance at another season of haruhi, but it's so unique I don't care.
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Nagato even mentioned that they did do other things and not do certain things in some of those iterations. I would have liked to have scene the studio do that; then the lazy way of just copy and paste. The message was across at episode 2 the rest was overkill.
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I think they could have done it in maybe an endless four. For people who haven't watched it, I recommend watching just nos. 1,3, 7 and 8. Gets the point across w/o being too annoying
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TheAncientOne wrote:

aidenraine wrote:
DVD is on amazon for $25... BD/DVD combo is $150... did they even release it on BD? I never saw it...

Looking at the Disappearance listings for Blu-ray, I only see the $35.99 one shipped from Hong Kong. At least per the listing it has English subtitles, and the fact it is region encoded makes it unlikely it is a bootleg. I can't recall if Bandai ever released it on Blu-ray here in the US.

Can you give me the link for the DVD you are seeing at Amazon for $25? The lowest cost one I'm seeing is Region 3 for $26.99. The lowest cost Region 1 DVD I am seeing there is $119.99.

I think the one I saw was the region 3 one...
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metalshiflet96 wrote:

It worked perfectly judging by your comment here, just saying you illustrated the point it was trying to make. They did the right thing, it makes you frustrated and insanely bored like Yuki



Well, just sayin', I'm not supposed to be bored and frustrated like Yuki. That's missing the point, and besides that, they accomplished that by the time episode four rolled around. They didn't need to drill it in for another four episodes, especially since I had more than enough time to crack the mystery by then.

Put simply, their goal was to make something that was a chore to sit through. It's like purposefully making art so bad, no one wants to look at it. Any other show does this, people say it's boring and crap. Any game does this, no one wants to play it. I'm not making an exception just because this is Haruhi, but at least the pictures looked good.

I'll give them a little credit that they had the bravery to go through with this, and sometimes the extra symbolism they threw in every couple of episodes was interesting, but I think their bravery was mostly spent chasing the wrong things.
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