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12 Year Old Boy With Fake Gun Fatally Shot By Police Officer
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I guess I'll be the only differing opinion for a bit. First lets walk through the whole video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97aihRvZtQ

We already got a point he is brandishing it around earlier without a care in the world, keep in mind in many states that could realistically get you shot by anyone when you are pointing firearm at someone like he did as it can be perceived that you threatened them in such a manner. Between you and me, if I had something realistically as that pointed at me, more than likely mine would be out too. I'm not gonna gamble my life on a random person having a fake or real gun when you cannot even tell from feet apart.

I will agree on one point, that the kid should not be dead by for vastly different reasons than that have been stated. First of all, you shouldn't be giving a kid a replica firearm, especially in which a point they have painted or otherwise removed ANY marking denoting it as a fake, that is a already a major issue that is one at the parental level. Next, you should be teaching your kid NOT to go around brandishing it like a idiot outside in public, as my ABOVE statement applies.

As for the cops actions, I won't say pulling up to him was the bright idea in the world, but personally it changes very little in what could of happened. Just looking at the video, you get a glimpse of him dragging his jacket up and doing something, is he reaching for it? Potentially, can anyone here tell? Nope. The only 2 people that can are the cops, since after all they are the only alive ones today. Did they have chest cameras? I don't know, but we'll find out eventually if they did or did not.

That said, if your first act when a squad car comes to a stop in front of you, and cops get out is to start reaching for ANYTHING, you best be prepared to be assumed to be a risk. Guns and knives can be easily concealed and police aren't going to take a risk with that. Remember, 21 feet or less is covered in Tueller drill, and guns are easy enough to draw within seconds. Why take either risk? Why did the kid not just stop and put his hands up? What did he reach for? Why did he even reach for it? These are all questions NONE of us can answer here.

Remember this isn't a happy rainbow world where everything is perfect, people say training and what not, but realistically we live in a world where teenagers ARE involved in shooting at people.


The kid didn't put his hands up because he didn't have time to. He was shot in less than 2 seconds. He also didn't reach for anything until after he was already shot. At the time the cops arrived, he wasn't doing anything. He was just standing there when suddenly officer Genius rushed in and shot a little boy claiming he didn't even realize the person in right in front of him was just a small child. The 2 heartless officers then proceeded to do nothing while there was a little kid right in front of them bleeding to death. At least there was an FBI agent nearby who was nice enough to at least try to give this boy some help before he died. This entire scene could've been avoided. Sure the child was doing something stupid but by the time the cops arrived, nothing was going on. The boy was by himself and wasn't doing anything at the time. There's no way that officer in his right mind thought there was a threat so huge that he had to shoot the very second he arrived.

Now, with all that said, the parents should have known better than to give their son a realistic toy gun and have him play with it alone in public. Especially when police tend to overreact when they see a colored person with a weapon. The parents also should have never raised their son to point guns at people unless the gun is yellow and shoots water.
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Nasigno wrote:

I guess I'll be the only differing opinion for a bit. First lets walk through the whole video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97aihRvZtQ

We already got a point he is brandishing it around earlier without a care in the world, keep in mind in many states that could realistically get you shot by anyone when you are pointing firearm at someone like he did as it can be perceived that you threatened them in such a manner. Between you and me, if I had something realistically as that pointed at me, more than likely mine would be out too. I'm not gonna gamble my life on a random person having a fake or real gun when you cannot even tell from feet apart.

I will agree on one point, that the kid should not be dead by for vastly different reasons than that have been stated. First of all, you shouldn't be giving a kid a replica firearm, especially in which a point they have painted or otherwise removed ANY marking denoting it as a fake, that is a already a major issue that is one at the parental level. Next, you should be teaching your kid NOT to go around brandishing it like a idiot outside in public, as my ABOVE statement applies.

As for the cops actions, I won't say pulling up to him was the bright idea in the world, but personally it changes very little in what could of happened. Just looking at the video, you get a glimpse of him dragging his jacket up and doing something, is he reaching for it? Potentially, can anyone here tell? Nope. The only 2 people that can are the cops, since after all they are the only alive ones today. Did they have chest cameras? I don't know, but we'll find out eventually if they did or did not.

That said, if your first act when a squad car comes to a stop in front of you, and cops get out is to start reaching for ANYTHING, you best be prepared to be assumed to be a risk. Guns and knives can be easily concealed and police aren't going to take a risk with that. Remember, 21 feet or less is covered in Tueller drill, and guns are easy enough to draw within seconds. Why take either risk? Why did the kid not just stop and put his hands up? What did he reach for? Why did he even reach for it? These are all questions NONE of us can answer here.

Remember this isn't a happy rainbow world where everything is perfect, people say training and what not, but realistically we live in a world where teenagers ARE involved in shooting at people.


The kid didn't put his hands up because he didn't have time to. He was shot in less than 2 seconds. He also didn't reach for anything until after he was already shot. At the time the cops arrived, he wasn't doing anything. He was just standing there when suddenly officer Genius rushed in and shot a little boy claiming he didn't even realize the person in right in front of him was just a small child. The 2 heartless officers then proceeded to do nothing while there was a little kid right in front of them bleeding to death. At least there was an FBI agent nearby who was nice enough to at least try to give this boy some help before he died. This entire scene could've been avoided. Sure the child was doing something stupid but by the time the cops arrived, nothing was going on. The boy was by himself and wasn't doing anything at the time. There's no way that officer in his right mind thought there was a threat so huge that he had to shoot the very second he arrived.

Now, with all that said, the parents should have known better than to give their son a realistic toy gun and have him play with it alone in public. Especially when police tend to overreact when they see a colored person with a weapon. The parents also should have never raised their son to point guns at people unless the gun is yellow and shoots water.


Bull and shit. I'm a mexican-american who is very dark brown. And as I said in my previous post I have been pulled over with a firearm in my car in Arizona where cops are extremely wary of Mexican/Mexican looking people. I never had an issue because I acted with respect and integrity. Stop trying to blow shit up for an agenda.
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Look I think cops are dicks like 90% of the population. However cops have to defend themselves in their jobs, most have families just like you or me and getting killed by someone is something they can't let happen. Bottom line if you point a weapon at a cop you better expect to get shot.

I lived in Arizona for a while and had a firearm inside my vehicle. I was pulled over 3 times there and I always made sure my hands were 100% visible and the officers knew I had a weapon and had no intention of going for it. I was asked to step out of my car and back toward the police car every time but I obeyed and they took possession of the weapon, wrote me a ticket or told me to get my headlight fixed, and then let me go.

What's next condemning soldiers for shooting kids who are shooting at them with AK-47's? It's already shitty enough having to shoot them without a bunch of keyboard warriors calling you a babykiller. Have some empathy for the guy who found out it was a fake gun and not a serious deadly threat.

Hit a cop get shot, brandish a weapon at a cop and get shot. These are old sayings for a reason. If you don't agree with certain laws there are ways to get them noticed. Looting, rioting, and acting a fool are not the ways to get these things noticed. If anything it sets back civil rights and makes MLK turn over in his grave. Because lets be honest here this post is a not subtle at all stab at the whole Ferguson thing using another incident to foment more hatred. Shit like this makes average Americans who aren't racist become racist out of fear. Is that what you really want?


Pointing a gun at a cop is one thing. What happened here is something different. At no point in this interaction did the boy point a gun at the officer. The car just darted into the scene and less than 2 seconds later, the boy was shot. There was no time for the boy to react at all. He was shot literally the second these cops arrived.

Also, just because you comply with the police and leave unharmed doesn't mean everyone else is as fortunate as you. Sometimes an officer won't even try to talk to you and would go straight for the kill just like they did with this boy. It's a proven fact that police often judge how dangerous a person is based on color and nothing else. Have you ever been to NYC? The police here basically preach their "stop-and-frisk-minorities-but-not-whites" policy.
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Look at how the police were called. Someone shooting at people the pellet/BB gun whatever it was was strong enough to shatter windows apparently. The cops pull up to a park and see someone with a gun. Do you stop and try to talk to them? Fuck no! You shoot em dead. Threat to public safety and personal safety.

I'm sorry but the parents should be taken out and shot for letting their child do this. Someone had to give him the blacked out realsitic looking gun, if it wasn't the parents then who was it?

You don't hear anything about black officers shooting black guys, black officers shooting white guys, mexican officers shooting mexicans, etc etc. It's only a big issue if it's a white officer shooting a black person. It's trash political spin at it's finest.
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Look at how the police were called. Someone shooting at people the pellet/BB gun whatever it was was strong enough to shatter windows apparently. The cops pull up to a park and see someone with a gun. Do you stop and try to talk to them? Fuck no! You shoot em dead. Threat to public safety and personal safety.

I'm sorry but the parents should be taken out and shot for letting their child do this. Someone had to give him the blacked out realsitic looking gun, if it wasn't the parents then who was it?

You don't hear anything about black officers shooting black guys, black officers shooting white guys, mexican officers shooting mexicans, etc etc. It's only a big issue if it's a white officer shooting a black person. It's trash political spin at it's finest.


Really? The officer was supposed to shoot a kid that they saw doing nothing? The 911 caller said there was somebody pointing a gun at people but the gun might be fake. How does that justify an officer shooting a kid standing there doing nothing after only seeing the kid for 2 seconds? Just because he had a gun in his hand that they didn't even see him using? This officer knows he did something wrong. That's why he lied and said he told the kid three times to put his hands up. He tried covering for himself but thankfully this was caught on video. There's no way anybody in the right mind would think a little boy doing nothing would be such a huge threat to the public that you'd have to shoot him the very second you see him. Especially not when he was all alone. If this boy was white and these officers saw him holding a gun, they would've tried talking to him first and telling him to drop the weapon and get on the ground. That would've been proper procedure after all. There was no reason for these officers to act the way they did in that video.

The parents clearly weren't the brightest people for allowing this to happen, but that's common sense. Nothing much to argue about that. Although what you suggested sounds extreme. Losing their child should already be a punishment they learn from. No need to have them killed for the stupidity of a cop.
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Posted 11/30/14 , edited 11/30/14

PhantomGundam wrote:

I didn't look at the comments on the video. Are they that bad?


Not all of them, no.

As for the incident itself, others have already shared their opinions' and the only point I'll reinforce is that bad parenting is ultimately to blame. Of course, just because a kid's parents are... bad parents... doesn't mean the kid will reflect their poor decisions. I'm not sure if this can be said for the 12 yr old who was shot, but I don't really know the full details so I won't really comment. Who knows, maybe the parents are the best, most safe parents in the world but their kid is the rebellious type?

Also, given how one officer was a rookie and the other was apparently a veteran (as the article stated), I think the senior officer should have accessed the threat more closely rather than have his partner go in all trigger-happy.
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Posted 11/30/14 , edited 12/2/14

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I guess the real question is who will arrest the police?
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He took off the orange safety ring on the toy gun.

He is waving around said gun.

You cannot wave a gun around in public.

Police have to react in a split second. Given that the gun looks real, it poses a risk to the people nearby. The police have every right to shoot someone who poses a risk to other people.

This has nothing to do with race. All this race stuff that is going around these days is utter garbage. It has everything to do with someone showing off an object that looks identical to a lethal weapon in public.
Posted 11/30/14
am scared of americans.



in high school, someone brought a fake gun to school and he didn't get shot to death, police were brought in, and the gun was suspended, end of story. what kind of fuckery is this? he's 12 for crying out loud.
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am scared of americans.



in high school, someone brought a fake gun to school and he didn't get shot to death, police were brought in, and the gun was suspended, end of story. what kind of fuckery is this? he's 12 for crying out loud.


It's different when some guy is waving a toy gun that is indistinguishable from a real one around in public. Given all the shootings that happen in the USA, it is very reasonable to assume that that boy posed a serious risk to nearby people at first sight. The officers didn't have the liberty to contemplate whether it was real or not; in this situation they must assume it is a real gun.

And things always turn out differently when you listen to cops. If you disobey a cop in a situation involving the well-being of other people, prepare to face the consequences.

Honestly, his age barely matters in this situation. A 12 year old is completely capable of getting a gun and going berserk in a public place.

The American gun culture is a scary thing indeed.
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I honestly find this to be wrong because I grew up around a black community so it isn't the first time i see something like this but in all honesty im not surprise this is how crimes are judged if it was a white male the officers wouldnt care or might have questioned him but he wasnt white so it is sad. This is just telling us to wake up America is full of racism just because there is a law that prohibits racism it doesnt mean that it doesnt exist, for example Marijuana, These are just facts of life majority of cops are Assholes to begin with. While I do feel sorry for the kid and pray for his well being its just not that suprising.
Posted 11/30/14 , edited 11/30/14
they don't recruit the right people for the job. I wouldn't be surprised if they froze at the sight (of the boy bleeding away).

since intent is never clear, they should also recruit sociopaths that have bigger fish to fry than little kids and would have a better eye for spotting someone who's gonna shoot up the place. sometimes you can tell.
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I honestly don't get racism. People are people, no more and no less. I just hope these types of incidents start to decrease in number sometime soon.
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SoldierSangria wrote:

Unlike the Michael Brown case, I am against the cop for this one. He should not have done that, and the boy should not be dead.

Still, there are many other cases as well where a non-white cop/person shoots a white person or a black cop shoots a black person. I'm a bit tired of the one-sided media in this matter, and the lack of acknowledgement by blacks about black-on-black-violence as well.

Again though, for this case I feel the cop is wrong and should be jailed in my opinion.


lol? the cop shot an unarmed Michael Brown 12 times, how are people even defending the cop?


He was shot 6 times.
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Is this even the time to be making sarcastic comments? Well, that's all I know how to do, so...

Doing it right, America.
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