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Male VS. Female Sexual Harassment
Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14
I've decided to start this thread because of a back and forth I had with someone at another thread. I've always thought that Sexual Harassment is simply Sexual Harassment. Gender should not have any bearing on how it is view, treated, or addressed. However, last night I learned that there are people who do not view it the same way. I am curious to find out why that is the case and why others think that male and female sexual harassment should not be treated the same nor should they be viewed as the same kind of problem.

My question to you is: Do you think these two are different? Why or why not?

Also.. Do you believe that these issues should be treated/addressed differently? Please explain why and how?

Discuss.





NOTE: I will do my best to refrain from getting into arguments about this issue because my goal is to understand why other people have such a gendered view on this subject, not to change anyone's mind. Please refrain from taking this thread or issue personally. Do not attack or ridicule anyone's personhood simply because you do not agree with them. Attack their arguments and ideas instead. It's not impossible to have a level-headed discussion about this issue. Please leave your feelings at the door. I am only interested in what you think, not how you feel.
Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14
think because female is the oppressed gender so a male sexually harassing a female will always be seen as a bigger deal.

it's like i can say i hate straight people, and nobody will care, but if a straight person says they hate gays, that will be seen as a hate speech since homosexuality is the oppressed sexuality.

the oppressed group will always attract more empathy from people.

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Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14
^ good point

I think they are the same because it can happen to both genders by the same or opposite gender.
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Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14

GayAsianBoy wrote:

think because female is the oppressed gender so a male sexually harassing a female will always be seen as a bigger deal.

it's like i can say i hate straight people, and nobody will care, but if a straight person says they hate gays, that will be seen as a hate speech since homosexuality is the oppressed sexuality.

the oppressed group will always attract more empathy from people.




This guy right here ^ bopped the nail right on the head. I was about to write a paragraph to make that point xD
Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14
I've never been sexually harrased :c
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Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14
Just watched the movie Horrible Bosses a couple days ago.

I don't know how would I deal with Jennifer Aniston in real life, as a horrible boss. Totally uncomfortable, totally awkward. Emasculated perhaps. She could be totally be like Esdeath and how she dealt with the leader of the Northern tribe.

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Posted 12/1/14
Harassment is harassment.
If you want to favor oppressed people, the person being harassed seems to be the perfect candidate, since harassment and unfair discrimination is what make oppression oppression in the first place.
It seems strangely oppressive to me that people would discriminate against somebody being harassed because of which sex they are.
If somebody tried following me home, or asked for personal information, and I didn't know them or what they'd do with it, I would be creeped out. Especially if they were persistent about it.
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Posted 12/1/14 , edited 1/13/15

haikinka wrote:

I've never been sexually harrased :c


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Posted 12/1/14
you were both right in that thread.

harassment on both genders is wrong.

she was aware that perhaps harrassment towards women was not taken seriously...this is because most likely more women come forward than men.

but then if less men come forward when and if harrassed, that is also a huge problem, they are taken even less seriously than men but mostly not because of as a consequence to how their cases are treated.

women most likely would give up coming forward after seeing how the media reports on that their cases are hardly ever treated with severity.

men most likely forgoe coming forward all together because they are even more manipulated to the extent that they might even say harassment is not a big deal and they are most likely to skip their thinking straight to the conclusion that no one would take it seriously.

to tackle the matter, those who come forward will need to be taken seriously and this coincides with prison capacity and other resources such as more police. i hear the average policeman has too much on his hand that he's often pushed by even his superiors to spend less time on some things. for the most, victims' statements are recorded but perhaps nothing done after, even monitoring the culprit is hard.

things hardly get to court after much red tape.

imo.
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Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14
Can't say I have or ever really will be sexually harassed. I'm thankful for it, but it does kinda make me wonder why people think women in western countries like Canada, United States, United Kingdom, etc are oppressed. I just don't get it. I'm more likely to earn more money in my lifetime than some guy who's possibly the same as me in every way. Could someone elaborate?

There is an absolute plethora of women's rights issues in the middle east and balkans right now, and nobody seems to ever really care. Or at least the tumblr feminist community doesn't. I wish they would instead of victimizing themselves. In short, nobody really has it worse than anyone else in the long run of sexual harassment just because they either have a vagina or a penis. It's all really contextual and it's important that we focus on the fact that sexual harassment is plain wrong and should be persecuted.
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Posted 12/1/14
A problem I see is when sexual harassment is considered a joke.
I don't mean those jokes are ALWAYS bad but can lead to a misunderstanding if made to someone who doesn't realise the joviality of the intentions or more seriously when made by someone who doesn't realise the consequences of their humour.
I can happily make a sideways comment about "jokingly" being attracted to one of my guy friends but wouldn't dream of doing the same to a girl because I know that my friends know I only mean it as a joke.

I know many guys who do what I see as mistreating women but the "victims" per se, assume that it is normal.

(to clarify: I'm a guy)
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Posted 12/1/14

GayAsianBoy wrote:

think because female is the oppressed gender so a male sexually harassing a female will always be seen as a bigger deal.

it's like i can say i hate straight people, and nobody will care, but if a straight person says they hate gays, that will be seen as a hate speech since homosexuality is the oppressed sexuality.

the oppressed group will always attract more empathy from people.




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Can't say I have or ever really will be sexually harassed. I'm thankful for it, but it does kinda make me wonder why people think women in western countries like Canada, United States, United Kingdom, etc are oppressed. I just don't get it. I'm more likely to earn more money in my lifetime than some guy who's possibly the same as me in every way. Could someone elaborate?

There is an absolute plethora of women's rights issues in the middle east and balkans right now, and nobody seems to ever really care. Or at least the tumblr feminist community doesn't. I wish they would instead of victimizing themselves. In short, nobody really has it worse than anyone else in the long run of sexual harassment just because they either have a vagina or a penis. It's all really contextual and it's important that we focus on the fact that sexual harassment is plain wrong and should be persecuted.


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Posted 12/1/14 , edited 12/1/14

Shnooze wrote:

Can't say I have or ever really will be sexually harassed. I'm thankful for it, but it does kinda make me wonder why people think women in western countries like Canada, United States, United Kingdom, etc are oppressed. I just don't get it. I'm more likely to earn more money in my lifetime than some guy who's possibly the same as me in every way. Could someone elaborate?

There is an absolute plethora of women's rights issues in the middle east and balkans right now, and nobody seems to ever really care. Or at least the tumblr feminist community doesn't. I wish they would instead of victimizing themselves. In short, nobody really has it worse than anyone else in the long run of sexual harassment just because they either have a vagina or a penis. It's all really contextual and it's important that we focus on the fact that sexual harassment is plain wrong and should be persecuted.

Thank you, this is always what I've thought. Sexual harassment is wrong on both sides, but there is definitely different levels of "badness" (I can't think of a different word). Also I've always gotten really frustrated with Tumblr feminists, because we really do have it better than most of the people that need to have aid in there fight for equality.

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Posted 12/1/14
It is a sad thing when the whisper of an accusation is sufficient to condemn a person without proof or recourse.

I have been on both sides of things as a man, and at this point in life I see it as a giant tangled mess with a lot of blurred lines. On the occasions when I was the perpetrator, it was either a result of my own foolish misunderstandings or a misinterpretation of what I was trying to say. Having things pointed out clearly in those situations by the people involved was all it took to correct things for me.

To start off, sexual harassment should be differentiated by nature of behavior instead of gender role. Naturally the sensitivity to the situation varies depending on the individual, so that is even more reason to gauge it by action rather than gender. By starting from the perspective of gender, it tends to lend a preconditioned bias to the situation that muddies the water. This can lead to generalized role perceptions of natural aggressor or oppressed party based on gender, which can additionally be used to falsely persecute an otherwise innocent party. By looking at things from a perspective of incident type it is much easier to determine intent, as well as address it appropriately. This also holds true for other socially perceived divisions, and the preconceptions that drive some agendas.

Naturally the way that society is structured tends to work against such a logical approach. I have grown enough to learn that it is better to start with a question than an accusation, and clearly communicating between individuals works better than dropping a building on an entire group. Still, I think that if we can hold in the core of our selves the fact that we are all human at heart, we can find a better perspective to address the issue from.

Of course logic doesn't really address the emotional state or desires of the person who feels that they have been the subject of harassment. Though using logic can help prevent unnecessary additional emotional harm added to the situation when things run amok, or attacks are thrown out blindly to satisfy the heat of the moment. Therefore the emotional wounds need to be addressed as well as the actions that occurred. Each situation is unique, and has it's own method of resolution. Overall keeping a clear head is what will be needed to really deal with this never ending situation that comes from human nature itself.
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