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The direction of current anime
Posted 12/2/14
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Posted 12/2/14

ReikaMichiko wrote:

I'll apologize ahead of time, I don't know all the terms and different genres... so you'll have to excuse my ignorance.

I just wanted to ask, is anyone else annoyed at the current trend of pantsu shots in place of actual plot? It seems like every new anime I watch lately has been sticking in gratuitous amounts of ripped clothing, upskirts, shower scenes, etc. Like somehow this constant barrage of female bodies makes up for the fact your anime is another generic fluff piece with nothing original to it and its actually kinda painful to watch.

Of course, thats only my opinion.


My would be favorite anime of all time, White Album 2. has so many random ass shots... Not specifically pantsu (though a couple during changing scenes).

I love that show, how the characters feel real and with their own motives and thoughts. Random suggestive perspectives are in the show, a fact I notice the more I rewatch it, but sometimes there are truly moving moments then they do ONE OF THOSE perspectives and it kills it for me. I had a friend over when it aired and she heard me say, "OMG, THEY RUINED IT," at one point... I would have loved that show so much....

I'm glad you made this topic. In the old days, a character may be the one doing something perverted [or looking somewhere], but now the perspective itself is the problem. I don't know if the current target audience is just so perverted that they can't NOT stare at a character's ass/bust that the perspective must zoom in even during normal, perhaps even emotional, dialogue. The only alternative is the makers have some kind of agenda - one of objectification, yes I said it. Easy, cheap, $. Personally, most people I know that like anime can look women in the eyes or at least have a normal conversation without gawking at their bodies, so I must assume it is the later explanation.
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Posted 12/2/14 , edited 12/2/14
I don't really have too much of a problem with it. Some of my favorite anime are ecchi anime (Is this a Zombie, Haganai, Monogatari series) that had lots of breasts and ass. It didn't really taint my experience though. I guess I just got used to that kind of fanservice. But for some anime, it can be the worst part (Sekerei, Highschool DxD, No Game No Life).
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Posted 12/2/14
The direction of current anime? There is never a clearly defined direction. What sells dictates the direction a bit. I think it just creates more genres and sub-genres to be honest.

Art itself is constantly redefining itself. Also it is growing and changing to be new. It is a product of the past. Sometimes the old is brought back again. Just live and wait long enough and you will see many iterations of the same thing but slightly different.

Dont like pantsu... Then look for another anime. I had to do the same.
Posted 12/2/14
I can name several RECENT anime that don't have pantsu shots; Black Prince and wolf girl, Parasyte, Mekakucity Actors, and World Triggers.

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I stay away from anime that have covers like these... when it's all cute girls or loli girls... you know there's going to be a massive amount of fanservice.



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Posted 12/2/14
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but Akame ga kill also doesn't have any Pantsu shots in it, admittedly general Esdeath's boobs are mightily outrageous and rather funny to see, but other than her its pretty much fine!

Also been watching LOG Horizon which seems to be fine too.

It's generally down to how you pick your anime titles to watch.
Posted 12/2/14
The medium won't survive on pantsus alone.
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Posted 12/2/14
Im not against moe with a side of occasional fan service..

Its just when its every other frame that I get annoyed. I really don't need to see the characters pantsu EVERY time they talk or move.
Posted 12/2/14

ReikaMichiko wrote:

Im not against moe with a side of occasional fan service..

Its just when its every other frame that I get annoyed. I really don't need to see the characters pantsu EVERY time they talk or move.


It's not that bad overall. Not every anime is Rosario + Vampire.
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Posted 12/2/14 , edited 12/2/14
Must have bad luck then..

Ikki Tousen Great Guardians... and then Freezing .. those were just way out there.

But it happens a lot in regular animes as well.
Posted 12/2/14 , edited 12/2/14

GayAsianBoy wrote:

I can name several RECENT anime that don't have pantsu shots; Black Prince and wolf girl, Parasyte, Mekakucity Actors, and World Triggers.

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I stay away from anime that have covers like these... when it's all cute girls or loli girls... you know there's going to be a massive amount of fanservice.





That's generally a good signal, though not always. NGNL had a pretty tame cover, but it had quite a few moments of fanservice with a loli. I also came across noucome, and besides the moe pandering, there wasn't a lot of pantsu shots.


ReikaMichiko wrote:

Must have bad luck then..

Ikki Tousen Great Guardians... and then Freezing


You should really ask around, Ikki Tousen and Freezing are well known.
(Ikki Tousen is either the fighting one, the one where a guy gets power from drinking breast milk, or both, not sure.)

My thoughts on the subject are this. As Stephen King or some other author once said, you don't write to get laid or to make money. You do it because you love writing. I am confident that we have more than enough source material to adapt into manga that does not rely on pandering to the basest of desires, but I worry the better works won't be adapted in favor of more fanservicey works.
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Posted 12/2/14 , edited 12/2/14
The moe and excessive fan-service is just a trend that will soon move onto something else. People will get sick of it eventually. It's an eventuality, it will happen some day :D

Look at ufotable's new Fate/Stay Night. No real fanservice, and has great production quality and amazing so far :D

Parasyte, a manga from like the 80's / 90's I believe is getting remade into an anime and live-action movie (which has topped the charts in Japan right now) and has no real fan-service.

Psycho-Pass season 1 and 2 are very mature, fanservice? unless you get boners from looking at mutilated bodies,death, and gore then not really fanservice.
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Posted 12/3/14
Honestly, The panty shots are just one small symptom of a larger problem The focus these days is on quantity rather than quality. 20-30 new shows a season ( and we get about 10-20 of those via funi and CR), and most are about trying to developa hardcore fandom as quickly as possible to sell more crap.

The motive itself is nothing new. Hey, that's why we got 4 or 5 season of Sailor Moon doing the same thing over and over again, 600+ episodes of Dragonball throughout its various seasons (and that's a conservative estimate), and 300+ eps of fairy tail, and 200+ eps of bleach and god only knows how many eps of One Piece. (and 100+ eps of Rurouni Kenshin).

It's just instead of more and more of the same series (which why that business model fails I'll get into later if someone wants to discuss it), they just produce more and titles because people want more and more titles, and on top of that, people want something that is similar to X, so copies of X are made (kill la kill was huge, so lots of titles will mimic it. Wait for the AOT tropes to develop).

The fact that the industry has been technically "hurting" for years seems facetious. (I think this is more of the general trend to say a business is "hurting" when it's hit a saturation point or when it is not growing as fast as projected, which can be due to a number of factors outside of loss of interest, because, quite frankly, there are more anime fans than every before, and its proliferation into other countries is greater than ever),

I think that overall, it would do far better by trying to produce less titles, but of far better quality, and in the end that's not going to happen until there's a collapse over in japan as the demand for anime shrinks, forcing them to restrict what titles they put out, or, there are a greater number of studios with which each one can focus on a smaller spectrum of titles, which, unfortunately, means the financial barrier to entry has to be lowered enough to allow for new start ups. And it's uncertain if that's what's going to happen anytime soon. The fansubbers, for better or worse, are directly responsible for the proliferation of anime streaming now and the lowered costs (down greatly from the astronomical prices of $25-$35 for two episodes for ANY title), because, laughably, people forget that piracy is the hidden third arm of capitalism. If you charge a price that's beyond reasonable, and alternatives exist, consumers will go for the alternatives until it is too much effort to procure a product cheaper, or the quality of the original is sufficient enough to mandate a price.

Similarly,what is being produced will not change until it is no longer profitable.

TL;DR: anime companies produce shit anime because it's profitable. they are only giving the consumers what they want, and until enough consumers get fed up with the steaming piles they're fed, things aren't going to change.
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Posted 12/3/14
I don't think it's the decline of anime--I think it's the choice of material North American distributors are choosing to license. All this fanservice stuff was around in the 80s and 90s (*shakes cane*) but we just didn't have it available to English-speaking audiences.
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Posted 12/3/14
I like quite a lot of anime with fanservice in it, although I don't necessarily like a lot of fanservice anime. At the end of the day, anime is quite a varied medium and it's just a matter of finding the titles that appeal to you. I think most people can find something they'll like from anime but I'd imagine that very few (if any) people would like everything.

I do think that some people forget that their own personal taste isn't "correct" and that the tastes of others are not "wrong". Just because you don't see the appeal of something, doesn't mean it's actually bad. That's worth bearing in mind because it's better to be able to say "this isn't for me" and move on rather than trying to point out "flaws" in a show that simply doesn't suit your tastes. Sometimes a show will do exactly what it intends to and still not appeal to you (you'll probably find it happens a lot).

All that said, I do think it's worth keeping an open mind and trying not to let one or two things distract you from other elements in a show. Just assuming that you will never like a show simply because it has fanservice (or you think it might have fanservice) could end up causing you to miss out on potential favourites. You might not be able to watch everything in the hope it'll work out but it doesn't hurt to do a little research and try to check if your assumptions are correct.
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