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Target Pulls GTA V off shelves due to....
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Sigh... well I hope these women are happy with what they did. Once again blaming video games for corrupting the youth of our world. My question is why did they barely just start attacking this game series? There have been plenty more games in this series where it was possible to have sex with a prostitute and then kill them for your money back. So my question is why start now? Maybe they just wanted to feel like they did something worth while in their lives, or it could be that they wanted some internet fame.

Another thing too, there was something in the actual petition that got me think and I quote, "Games like this are grooming yet another generation of boys to tolerate violence against women." Why are these younger generation of children playing a game that clearly is aimed at an older crowd. If anything these women should be trying to get the message out that these games are bad and parent shouldn't be buying for their children. People like to hate on this or any other video game with violence in it because it's an easy target as they say it's corrupting the youth. But why the hell is the rating system even implemented when parents are still buying these 18 and up games for their children?
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It's a shame, really. The game, from what I've played over a duration of over 150 hours, doesn't have any direct violence against women throughout the entire story mode. Either that or I just somehow missed a gigantic portion of the game that contains this violence against women.

Hopefully this only ends up spreading to Target and only Target.


I find their refusal to include a female protagonist in a game about multiple perspectives of multiple people a sort of indirect violence against women.


I mean come on! Where are the female protagonists? The Mexican protagonists? Hell, an Asian protagonist?

Or do i have to go over to Saints Row to find that shit?
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I find Australia's take on games baffling, to say the least.
Posted 12/3/14

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I find their refusal to include a female protagonist in a game about multiple perspectives of multiple people a sort of indirect violence against women.


I mean come on! Where are the female protagonists? The Mexican protagonists? Hell, an Asian protagonist?

Or do i have to go over to Saints Row to find that shit?


No one wants to play a female protagonist. Too much catcalling and people commenting on your jeans.
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No one wants to play a female protagonist. Too much catcalling and people commenting on your jeans.









Do you really think that?
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Felstalker wrote:


Shnooze wrote:

It's a shame, really. The game, from what I've played over a duration of over 150 hours, doesn't have any direct violence against women throughout the entire story mode. Either that or I just somehow missed a gigantic portion of the game that contains this violence against women.

Hopefully this only ends up spreading to Target and only Target.


I find their refusal to include a female protagonist in a game about multiple perspectives of multiple people a sort of indirect violence against women.


I mean come on! Where are the female protagonists? The Mexican protagonists? Hell, an Asian protagonist?

Or do i have to go over to Saints Row to find that shit?


Really? What didn't you like about the characters you had to choose from? Honestly I found them to be pretty entertaining and interesting. Each of them, be it Trevor, Michael or Franklin, were filled with character and things to learn about them compared to previous characters like the boring Niko Bellic. What exactly would it change if one of them were female? It seems unnecessary to me, and a little shoehorned in.

I'd love to hear the possibilities that a female protagonist would bring to the table with GTA V, because at the moment I'm not seeing much.
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Felstalker wrote:

I find their refusal to include a female protagonist in a game about multiple perspectives of multiple people a sort of indirect violence against women.


I mean come on! Where are the female protagonists? The Mexican protagonists? Hell, an Asian protagonist?

Or do i have to go over to Saints Row to find that shit?


Well, I haven't played the game so I can't say whether their argument is as baseless as your caricature makes it out to be (edit: on second thought, it's probably not all that baseless and a female protagonist would actually be very much appreciated). But it hardly matters whether the criticism is baseless or not, does it? The problem is that these critics have taken a step too far, demanding active suppression of the material in question rather than its criticism and rejection by the general public.

I call that a step too far because the material, to my admittedly limited knowledge, does not actually incite people to commit acts of violence against women. It merely portrays such acts taking place with the expectation that the player's involvement be strictly and exclusively confined to the realm of fiction. I understand (and even sympathize and empathize) that those portrayals are shocking, upsetting, and troubling, but they do not pose any substantive threat to society and so should not be suppressed. By making outlandish demands like the active suppression of a work which does not incite people to commit acts of violence they weaken the image, the ethos, of people issuing legitimate criticisms of portrayals of violence against women in media by constructing an association between such criticism and suppression of speech. Because of this overstep people like Paul Elam (who incidentally have a similar effect on the ethos of those raising legitimate criticisms and concerns on issues of concern to men) get an opportunity to complain about "those damned feminists" again.


Edit: Then again, it could go the other way. This could do no harm at all, and in fact could bring about a positive change in the way developers and publishers think. It has, if nothing else, proven an effective activist endeavor, so there's something to be said about that. Maybe I would've done a boycott instead, but if all goes smoothly I have reconsidered and do not take issue with this.
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Felstalker wrote:


Shnooze wrote:

It's a shame, really. The game, from what I've played over a duration of over 150 hours, doesn't have any direct violence against women throughout the entire story mode. Either that or I just somehow missed a gigantic portion of the game that contains this violence against women.

Hopefully this only ends up spreading to Target and only Target.


I find their refusal to include a female protagonist in a game about multiple perspectives of multiple people a sort of indirect violence against women.


I mean come on! Where are the female protagonists? The Mexican protagonists? Hell, an Asian protagonist?

Or do i have to go over to Saints Row to find that shit?


Really? What didn't you like about the characters you had to choose from? Honestly I found them to be pretty entertaining and interesting. Each of them, be it Trevor, Michael or Franklin, were filled with character and things to learn about them compared to previous characters like the boring Niko Bellic. What exactly would it change if one of them were female? It seems unnecessary to me, and a little shoehorned in.

I'd love to hear the possibilities that a female protagonist would bring to the table with GTA V, because at the moment I'm not seeing much.

Well, for one thing, it would bring a completely new view. Females behave and think different in most cases, so what would it not bring to the table is a better question.
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How dare this game not uphold the morals our society holds! The game is known for showing the worst society has to offer, the title alone should explain everything. Its their decision to make, but obviously they stand to lose big $$. Lets see who is more important dollars or feelings. Having said that I know nothing about Australia so I'm sure there's something else behind this.
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Well, I haven't played the game so I can't say whether their argument is as baseless as your caricature makes it out to be (edit: on second thought, it's probably not all that baseless and a female protagonist would actually be very much appreciated). But it hardly matters whether the criticism is baseless or not, does it? The problem is that these critics have taken a step too far, demanding active suppression of the material in question rather than its criticism and rejection by the general public.


First, these are not Critics. They're regulators. They regulate the content rather than critiquing it. It's a bit different.

Second, they have not gone to far. They decided that GTAV violates a specific standard they have set and have removed it from the shelves.

GTA5 isn't illegal, it's simply not being sold in Target.

You can still get GTA5 in Australia, which itself is a rather amazing feat.

Additionally, the game came out a year ago, this isn't a big deal.
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Well, for one thing, it would bring a completely new view. Females behave and think different in most cases, so what would it not bring to the table is a better question.


For a game with a theme about different view points, this would be a good thing.

Let alone how someone act's, it's how others around you act that will make a surprisingly new viewpoint.

Similar to how characters say different things in Skyrim depending on what Race you are playing, or how which Vampire Sect you belong to in Vampires; The Masqurade changes the entire way the game can be played.
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Australia is pretty bad when it comes to censoring the crap out of things. Often episodes of Adventure time which are usually 10mins get cut down to 5mins, because of censoring in Australia.
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Felstalker wrote:


metalshiflet96 wrote:

Well, for one thing, it would bring a completely new view. Females behave and think different in most cases, so what would it not bring to the table is a better question.


For a game with a theme about different view points, this would be a good thing.

Let alone how someone act's, it's how others around you act that will make a surprisingly new viewpoint.

Similar to how characters say different things in Skyrim depending on what Race you are playing, or how which Vampire Sect you belong to in Vampires; The Masqurade changes the entire way the game can be played.


People would react totally different to a violent female lead than a violent male lead, and obviously men act differently when an attractive woman is near.
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People would react totally different to a violent female lead than a violent male lead, and obviously men act differently when an attractive woman is near.


It's not that the game is devoid of female characters, it's that you don't play as them.

And does Franklin's character description read "Violent"? Or is that every character? Because that's a big sin in it's own right as well.


And once again, their are other, superior, Sandbox games that allow you to play as a talking female protagonist.


Like Saints Row.
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Felstalker wrote:


metalshiflet96 wrote:


People would react totally different to a violent female lead than a violent male lead, and obviously men act differently when an attractive woman is near.


It's not that the game is devoid of female characters, it's that you don't play as them.

And does Franklin's character description read "Violent"? Or is that every character? Because that's a big sin in it's own right as well.


And once again, their are other, superior, Sandbox games that allow you to play as a talking female protagonist.


Like Saints Row.


agreed, although Saints Row female boss is pretty damn masculine.
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