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Posted 12/3/14 , edited 12/3/14

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Okay, I read it this time.

All I have to say is that this is just another proof that Feminists can pretty much get whatever they want because.. Women.

It's really the idea of it that annoys me. If I submitted the same appeal citing that the game shows extreme violence against men (which is way more accurate than their claim, by the way), no one would even care. The idea and logic behind crap like this just irks me so much.

In my view this is a net negative to everyone simply because it was a stupid claim to begin with. Just shows how sad the state of things really are. Then again, it's Target. Oh well...

P.S. This could also have the negative effect of encouraging more people to do the same.
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Posted 12/3/14
I heard about this and i thought it was a joke, i mean really. Feminazi's at their finest i guess.
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So Target ran a customer feedback? Somehow I feel as if the people who participated and gave feedback were only the ones who were complaining.
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Posted 12/3/14 , edited 12/3/14

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BlueOni wrote:



Okay, I read it this time.

All I have to say is that this is just another proof that Feminists can pretty much get whatever they want because.. Women.

It's really the idea of it that annoys me. If I submitted the same appeal citing that the game shows extreme violence against men (which is way more accurate than their claim, by the way), no one would even care. The idea and logic behind crap like this just irks me so much.

In my view this is a net negative to everyone simply because it was a stupid claim to begin with. Just shows how sad the state of things really are. Then again, it's Target. Oh well...

P.S. This could also have the negative effect of encouraging more people to do the same.


This, I'll support feminist in video games once they say games show extreme violence against men too, until then their arguments suck, they seem to focus just on women and not equality which is what they keep claiming and swearing by.

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dunno about other gaming aussies, but i certainly don't get my games from target...

it's probably a good thing it was pulled off from target. personally think only little kids or parents who have no idea about gaming shop there for games for their kids.


a veteran gamer wouldn't get their games from Target, tbh.



This

Though to be honest I have bought games at target but only when there is a deal or sale, and it's usually a new game, other than that, Steam and mmo's for me
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xDeadlyDollx wrote:

Okay, I read it this time.


It's all good. People talk about gamergate a lot, so it wasn't out of bounds to assume that the topic might have somehow connected. It just turns out to not have this time. I suppose one might stretch really, really, really far and argue that the topic is somewhat related because the petition was submitted anonymously, but that is way too close to the threadjack line for me to explore it especially deeply.


All I have to say is that this is just another proof that Feminists can pretty much get whatever they want because.. Women.


We can't say for sure what motivation ultimately underlies 40,997 of those signatures (the three remaining ones being the women who started the petition to begin with). I'd hazard a guess that some were simply signing because it seemed socially appropriate that they should do so, others did so on a spur of the moment basis after having come across the petition by accident, and others still signed because of their convictions about portrayals of women in media. And even among those signatories with convictions about portrayals of women in media it's uncertain just how concentrated their interest in the subject might be. They could range from those bearing positions of marginal interest to those who are deeply committed to advancing whatever cause they've assumed with respect to the matter. The three women who started the petition are certainly among that "deeply committed" category, but I'd expect the majority of signatories were actually just partially or moderately interested. After all, it's not a particularly heavy personal commitment or investment to place one's name on a petition calling for a store to stop selling a particular video game.

As for Target, we know for certain what their motivation was: profit. They saw a substantial collective action campaign brewing up against them and decided to not only nip the problem in the bud, but also take an opportunity to make themselves look better (that is, make more money in the long run) while they did so. For Target's part this isn't some kind of social issue; it's an economic one.


It's really the idea of it that annoys me. If I submitted the same appeal citing that the game shows extreme violence against men (which is way more accurate than their claim, by the way), no one would even care. The idea and logic behind crap like this just irks me so much.

In my view this is a net negative to everyone simply because it was a stupid claim to begin with. Just shows how sad the state of things really are. Then again, it's Target. Oh well...


Well, what makes complaining about violence and vice in this game tricky is that to some extent these are inextricable parts of the subject matter it's supposed to be addressing. The main characters are all violent criminals involved in organized crime syndicates (or at least that's what I've gotten from previous installments in this franchise), so it's expected that they'd behave violently both toward one another and toward onlookers. To some extent violence and cruelty are simply par for the course in a story about organized crime.

On the other hand, things get even trickier once one takes into account that video games are an interactive medium, and so portrayals therein are more personally engaging than others can really be. Where watching a film in which Ray Liotta bashes someone's face in with the butt of a pistol is violent and potentially upsetting, placing the audience in the driver's seat and having them decide who Ray Liotta will attack, how harshly, and for how long changes things a bit. That's what video games do, and they do so for the explicit purpose of entertaining players.

While I'm not about to argue that playing violent video games causes people to engage in antisocial behaviors like attacking people randomly, I do think there is legitimately room for ethical and cultural discussions on the matter of whether such games really ought to be entertaining to begin with. Should a game reward players for engaging in acts of violence? Is enjoying the experience of pretending one is a mobster just harmless fun, or does it reflect some sort of cultural problem? If it is a cultural problem is that problem serious enough to merit action? If so, what action? Is there even any such thing as a cultural problem?

I don't think those sort of questions have objectively correct, definitive answers, but I do think that they're questions worth asking. Personally, I fall in the camp which argues that it is ethical for such games to be sold as entertainment, rewarding players for engaging in acts of violence is the only immediately obvious way to even construct a game centered upon a protagonist who is a violent criminal, that the question of whether it is ethical to enjoy the fantasy of being a mobster or not is a personal one until one begins to bring that fantasy into reality, and that while cultural problems can exist and the fact that these games are so popular might be argued to be one I'm not entirely sure it's a problem which presently calls for measures beyond the collective action which we've seen here.
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Cooking Mama didn't turn me into a cook, Battlefield 3 didn't make me sign up for the army, and I am still afraid to confront women after playing GTA5. I question the notion that video games cause otherwise healthy people into criminals. I admit, video games are at times a masturbatory fantasy that may objectify women, but so what? I don't treat women badly because of what I see in a video game, that would simply be asinine. It's worth it in the long run to teach a man not to be violent against women than say, "Hey, don't play this game".
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Posted 12/3/14
Feminazis are attacking our freedoms and ironically because they're women we listen.
Posted 12/3/14 , edited 12/3/14
I don't even know what exactly Target does... not gonna look it up either.

Although, i'm pretty sure if any of you have enemies, its people with power, no matter the cause. that is, more power than you have. so either put up or shut up.
Posted 12/3/14

severticas wrote:

I don't even know what exactly Target does... not gonna look it up either.


Walmart for the middle class. Average wage of a shopper is 50k and above.
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severticas wrote:

I don't even know what exactly Target does... not gonna look it up either.


Walmart for the middle class. Average wage of a shopper is 50k and above.


oh you mean, emphasis on "quality".

well, there you have your reason.
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Posted 12/3/14
The first GTA's which were more about auto theft and joyriding were pretty fun. Now it's all about prostitutes, gang violence, etc... really degenerated fast. I personally wish games like those were kept off the shelves. If you must have all that crap feel free to download it digitally or order a copy.
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Posted 12/3/14

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I find their refusal to include a female protagonist in a game about multiple perspectives of multiple people a sort of indirect violence against women.


I mean come on! Where are the female protagonists? The Mexican protagonists? Hell, an Asian protagonist?

Or do i have to go over to Saints Row to find that shit?



Well Saints Row is the superior franchise IMO.
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Posted 12/3/14
SJWs are ruining real life as well as the internet now? Why aren't we fighting them?
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Posted 12/3/14
Oh yeah complain about the rape and violence against women in a game about crime...




But hitting/shooting women and rape is totally worse!


Also, as far as i played the game, the only "violence" against a woman was a quite vigirous sex act when Trevor's first introduced, and even then her boyfriend is subjected to far more violence, and yes, sexual violence aswell.
And... y'know, the random women you mow down with your car when you're sick of traffic and decide to take the sidewalk.
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Posted 12/3/14 , edited 12/3/14
Oh, please... In games, much less ones like GTA (that focuses on chaos), what makes us women so special that we can't be harmed? I consider that sexist. Am I, as a women myself, supposed to particularly give a damn and hold back against female characters, even? When I play notably violent games (even other genres), I put little thought into the sex of characters/players. Instead, I see potential opponents and cardboard cutouts, little more than faceless mooks. Everyone is potential fodder.
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