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Target Pulls GTA V off shelves due to....
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Posted 12/3/14
Is this just a Target thing or an Australia thing? Because I'm led to believe that they really enjoy censoring things.
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Posted 12/3/14
"This decision goes against a recent legislation in Australia that allowed video games to be rated 18 + to be released in Australia, which before was not allowed." Isn't it up to the vendor to put whatever contents they want on their shelves? Fairly sure this isn't going against the legislation which was aimed at banning R+18 games in Australia.

Now on to their reasoning why it was banned, absolute bollocks. "Violence against women", yes there is violence that is aimed against women in this video game but why is violence against women not permitted while violence against men is permitted? Maybe violence against humans or violence on its on might of been a more justified response than simply "Violence against women".
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I don't quite understand this decision
Posted 12/3/14

Is this just a Target thing or an Australia thing? Because I'm led to believe that they really enjoy censoring things.


it's a target thing, you can buy this game from other retailers. Target is a family kind of store, not really appropriate to stock 18+ games in the first place...

as for censorship, it isn't an "australian" thing, it's a worldwide thing. govt censor shit, because people are constantly complaining about shit...

i would consider the availability of R rated games a step forward for australia.
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Posted 12/3/14
Personally I would like them to actually focus on more important things, for example force marriages, throwing acid on women who want to get an education, the middle east but all I ever hear or see are video games or movies. Just like when peta complains about being able to hunt animals in farcry instead of going after real life poachers.
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Posted 12/3/14 , edited 12/3/14
It's a crap game anyway. Buy it somewhere else if you wanna drunk-joyride-simulate that badly?
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Posted 12/3/14

Shnooze wrote:


metalshiflet96 wrote:


Shnooze wrote:


Felstalker wrote:


Shnooze wrote:

It's a shame, really. The game, from what I've played over a duration of over 150 hours, doesn't have any direct violence against women throughout the entire story mode. Either that or I just somehow missed a gigantic portion of the game that contains this violence against women.

Hopefully this only ends up spreading to Target and only Target.


I find their refusal to include a female protagonist in a game about multiple perspectives of multiple people a sort of indirect violence against women.


I mean come on! Where are the female protagonists? The Mexican protagonists? Hell, an Asian protagonist?

Or do i have to go over to Saints Row to find that shit?


Really? What didn't you like about the characters you had to choose from? Honestly I found them to be pretty entertaining and interesting. Each of them, be it Trevor, Michael or Franklin, were filled with character and things to learn about them compared to previous characters like the boring Niko Bellic. What exactly would it change if one of them were female? It seems unnecessary to me, and a little shoehorned in.

I'd love to hear the possibilities that a female protagonist would bring to the table with GTA V, because at the moment I'm not seeing much.

Well, for one thing, it would bring a completely new view. Females behave and think different in most cases, so what would it not bring to the table is a better question.


In most cases? That's a little generalizing, huh? Do you mean females as a whole or do you mean typical North American females? I'm confused as to what people are trying to do with this. I mean the entire time I was playing the game I never stopped to think that these guys were "so different" to me just because of what's between our legs. What else is to experience different beyond what people know from stereotypes?


Thank you so very much. I honestly don't like when people push female characters into games/comics/tv shows/etc. and say "HEYYYY!!!! LOOK HERE!!! FEMALE CHARACTERS!!!"

Their sex shouldn't matter at all and the STORY is of the utmost importance. I thin all this focus on feminism and sexism has actually made things far more sexist because it's made peopel hyperaware of it, hypersympathetic, and, they overcompensate to the point of being incredibly sexist themselves.

And, as mentioned before there ARE a number of strong female leads in games, movies, TV shows, and anime. The question is, do you actually take the time to think about what ones there are, or do you just assume the statement about there being "no women in X" to be true? Also, don't you notice that when a token black character is tossed in, or a token female character is added, they invariably suck and become some of the most hated characters (or if they're well loved, they're well loved because it's almost comedic how much they play into a stereotype?)
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BlueOni wrote:
A female protagonist, as Fel rightly pointed out earlier, would in and of itself be a huge improvement.


I TOTALLY disagree.

But first a disclaimer
I don't mind a female lead if the story actually calls for it and it's a damned good story. For me, regardless of the media, I fall in love with characters because the story is good and each person is necessary.

If they make a female oriented story just to appease the fans that want a female lead, it's going to be a giant steaming pile of shit. We know this because when games (or movies or TV shows) are marketed because of how gender or race friendly they are, that particular trait of the character becomes the focal point and the rest of the story suffers. The story itself is sacrosanct. Anything that detracts from the story should be eschewed.

Side note: both in comics and video games nearly HALF of the fans are women, yet outsiders bitch and moan about how incredibly sexist these two mediums are and how there are "no female leads" and how the few examples of female leads "don't get the spotlight more popular characters do". If half of all the fans are female, and they're rejecting all these games and comics that are being created specifically to cater to women, what does that say about those characters compared to the ones they ARE fans of?
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It's just a video game. Is it bad that I use it to vent? Concerning that I kill people on it when I'm angry? Maybe. But GTA V online is worse, because real people will sexually harass and assault women there.

The whole reason why I only play with close friends now. I don't dare go online alone. They're like Jimmy, but 10x worse.
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Posted 12/3/14 , edited 12/3/14

serifsansserif wrote:


BlueOni wrote:
A female protagonist, as Fel rightly pointed out earlier, would in and of itself be a huge improvement.


I TOTALLY disagree.

But first a disclaimer
I don't mind a female lead if the story actually calls for it and it's a damned good story. For me, regardless of the media, I fall in love with characters because the story is good and each person is necessary.

If they make a female oriented story just to appease the fans that want a female lead, it's going to be a giant steaming pile of shit. We know this because when games (or movies or TV shows) are marketed because of how gender or race friendly they are, that particular trait of the character becomes the focal point and the rest of the story suffers. The story itself is sacrosanct. Anything that detracts from the story should be eschewed.

Side note: both in comics and video games nearly HALF of the fans are women, yet outsiders bitch and moan about how incredibly sexist these two mediums are and how there are "no female leads" and how the few examples of female leads "don't get the spotlight more popular characters do". If half of all the fans are female, and they're rejecting all these games and comics that are being created specifically to cater to women, what does that say about those characters compared to the ones they ARE fans of?


The thing you described in your disclaimer is what I was suggesting.

Also, Fel pointed to Saint's Row, so I'm aware of such games which already have female lead protagonists. I'm just saying more couldn't hurt.
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BlueOni wrote:


The thing you described in your disclaimer is what I was suggesting.

Also, Fel pointed to Saint's Row, so I'm aware of such games which already have female lead protagonists. I'm just saying more couldn't hurt.


You see, I don't like the suggestion because I know what will happen is what I put after my disclaimer.

I was going to say something else, but after having to refresh five or six times (CR is really screwing up for my lately, and yes it's CR specific)), I can't remember what it was....

Oh yeah.. also, improvement. I don't view it as an improvement. If sex/gender should be irrelevant, it kinda defeats the principle of there being "improvement" because one gender or the other has a greater share of representation. Improvement would only when people stop talking about the gender and start giving odd looks when phrases like "feminine perspective" are tossed around, because, like one of our female commenters said, "it's not like the difference between having a penis or a vagina between your legs should completely change your perspective".

I think story is the most important thing, and that's where the focus should be.
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serifsansserif wrote:

You see, I don't like the suggestion because I know what will happen is what I put after my disclaimer.

I was going to say something else, but after having to refresh five or six times (CR is really screwing up for my lately, and yes it's CR specific)), I can't remember what it was....


CR is cranky and needs its nap.

Anyway, we both agree that writing quality is to be of the utmost importance. That's what really counts.
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Posted 12/3/14

BlueOni wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:

You see, I don't like the suggestion because I know what will happen is what I put after my disclaimer.

I was going to say something else, but after having to refresh five or six times (CR is really screwing up for my lately, and yes it's CR specific)), I can't remember what it was....


CR is cranky and needs its nap.

Anyway, we both agree that writing quality is to be of the utmost importance. That's what really counts.


I can agree with that.....:)
Posted 12/3/14
if you can buy it from any other retailer then they;
- forecast the sales from this to be insignificant and confident they can recoup cost elsewhere
- one or two people involved in wanting them removed are influential
- they don't want to offend their core customers

for other retailers, the opportunity lies in lost Target sales or they might follow with the same decision in due time (they usually copy each other, not wanting to be outdone). nice pressure.

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Posted 12/4/14
Its something they will try to do with other games. I've heard rumors of them trying to pull the game in other country's.
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