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Is Drunken Sex Rape? Can I Yell Rape Too If I Were Drunk?
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I think that accountability is only doubful if the accused is intoxicate too. If he or she isnt the he/she is definitily renposible. I'll say more about accountability below.

Fair point. I think it's more dubious when both people are drunk. I do think, that though rare, there may be mistaken situations where he accused may be unaware of the intoxication of the other, but in such a case, I'd rather leave it for courts to decide.


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Well, I think we'll agree to disagree here because I think one can be renposible of their own actions only. I don' think that your analogy with the hypothetical red button would be really comparable because in this example there isn't a third person deciding to harm other people. Also while I couldn't agree with something or everything that the victim may did, the rapist should take responsability over their own actions and choices instead of point at the victim behaviour in orden to excuse their crime. But it is not just about rape. I just don't think that certain acts, as rape, murder or mug for instance, should get a free pass just becausse the victim wasn't carefull enough or was too naive or whatever. That meas, I don't care much about what did or did not the victim, I may or may not agree with their decisions for a reason or another, but in the end they aren't my choices. In the end, the victim did their choices, so did the criminal and the last is the only thing that really matter for me.


Totally agree, the fact that someone was raped is horrible and of course, the guilty party should be held responsible. I think it's part of the language problem that "they deserved it" implies different things. The crime itself isn't excusable, but the actions of the victim exacerbate a societal problem. There's a certain bare minimum level of common sense and knowledge about the consequences of actions and about judging one's surroundings and how to behave in context to those two things that's implied in being considered an adult. It's like "if you want to do adult things, you should behave like an adult". Unfortunately, and I partially blame society's and especially media's portrayal of youth and childish behavior as being desirable and applauded (or, at the least, something that will garner attention and fame). It also comes, oddly enough from the cultural desire to preserve innocence and cherish providing for our children's every need. While it is very loving and caring, it leaves our younger generations ill prepared for the harsh realities of the world outside of childhood and the teen years, and an inflated sense of ego. It's almost the antithesis of what adulthood requires.

Overall, this leaves us with a "dumbing down" of the society as a whole, and a lot of adults that simply act and think like children still. (and it's a situation that pops its head up in other western or westernizing cultures, such as Japan). The question, unfortunately comes about as to how to deal with this? How do you idiot-proof society for a society full of idiots?

Or, for me, at least, this is more of what I'm aiming towards. It's not that the victim isn't guilty or should be able to go scot free, but that the victim often acts in such a way that's irresponsible in situations where a responsible, rational mindset is implicit, and yet, refuses to accept that premise, but rather would blame society for their own lack of responsibility.


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For another hand, while I don' think that wont be a bad idea that our society examine their relationship with alcohol, I doubt however that if in a hypothetical future most people don't like mix alcohol with sex, the rape decreases significantly because I don't regard that alcohol is a primary cause in the rape, wich involve it but also is a toll easyly available and convenient that some rapist choose to rape and if they can't use alcohol in a way or another then they will find another way to rape because I think most rape are premeditated.


I don't know. I'm not a rapist. Dully so, I'm probably the furthest from it. I do think it needs more study though, but rather I'd see rationality and levelheadedness when talking of it rather than immediate gut emotional responses. I think that actually studying the mind of those that do commit such crimes and trying to analyze the causes and find ways to provide psychological help to prevent it from happening (or prevent it from happening again). In my mind, typically a crime isn't committed for the sake of committing a crime, There's a need that the crime fullfills, that is not being met. Punishment based systems have a bad history of recidivism and often exacerbate a crime problem.

As for alcohol... yeah. It would be nice to figure out a better way for our society to deal with it.


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Finally, if you don't mind if neither you nor me have more thing to add to this debate then I'll quit this talk because I don't like when both parts in disscusion repeat the same thing in diferent ways over and over again.


Fair point. I don't mind stopping after this if you don't. I enjoyed this portion of the discussion with you though, and it was nice to have something of a calm amidst the storm of strong reactions.

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One of the reason I worry is because women will literally scream rape if depending on who the person they slept with was. Rape accusations don't need to rest on how handsome the guy is.
Oh wow, someone showed their true colors before the thread even made it to the second page.

At the moment you were not able to explicitly say "YES, I like that" it's not consent and thus it's rape. It doesn't matter is sleeping beauty fell in love with her prince. In the end, she was fucked in her sleep and that is rape.


I don't pride myself on raping others; on the other hand, I'm kind of horny and don't want to pass up my first opportunity because a person was somewhat intoxicated. I'm not entirely aware of the effects of alcohol. I mean, does it count if you are buzzed or anything? Another question I ask is, is it only rape because the girl says it is rape? Your position seems to deny that, saying that fucking a women or man in their sleep is tantamount to rape, regardless of what they may say about it later on, such as how fucking a 13 year old is rape, regardless of force involved.

Now that I think about it, it would probably be rape if the person in question would not have sex with me while sober. But if they would and they got drunk, it is not rape. I guess it would be taking advantage of a person drunkedness if you know for a fact that they wouldn't have sex with you while sober.

I guess the best way to deal with this is not to have sex with any drunk girls.



You sound like a creep. No rape does not fall on how handsome a person is. Rape isn't shallow. If a person says no or if a person cannot say no its rape pretty simple. If a girl is drunk and she is obviously not in a normal state of thought, to the point where she is almost passing out, you are taking advantage and its rape. And sorry but I have know many men who drink and if you were at the passing out state you wouldn't be able to rape in the first place (a pretty crucial part of the male anatomy tends to stop functioning.), so no you cannot blame it on the alcohol. " I'm kind of horny and don't want to pass up my first opportunity because a person was somewhat intoxicated." This is called rape and you know you are taking advantage so stop trying to find excuses. The fact of the matter is if your thought is like that is that, then you know the girl would not be interested in you under other circumstances. If she were always interested in you it would not be passing up an opportunity it would be waiting for another time. When you're buzzed you can still know the difference between rape and not rape again you're trying to find excuses. Taking advantage of a sleeping person is also rape. and last but not least, fucking a 13 year old is always rape if you're older than 18, this the law. I sincerely hope you are a troll because I am seriously worried about the women you will surrounding yourself with you seem to be really trying to excuse the fact you want to rape someone.


he's not a creep he's just trolling ^^

but seriously, if someone is passed out drunk, and you weren't kissing or even remotely doing anything close to that, then why wouldn't it be rape if you started having sex with them?
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I'd personally only consider it rape if the person was stone cold drunk. You don't excuse someone for drunk driving because they're drunk.
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I feel if you take advantage of someone who is drunk, no matter what gender, it is rape. When someone is intoxicated they can not make the best decisions, so that why I feel this way.
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I look at it like this: If a person is about to be or already passed out... it can be rape.

However, it does get hairy if they are still awake, and many people have blackout drunks where they are fully functioning. Sooo... I don't buy into certain people's mentality that if they were too drunk to remember, they were raped. That's dumb, and unreasonable.

And, no, I don't think it should be at the legal driving limit, either. Seriously, most people have a buzz right at the legal limit... so again, that's idiotic.

Just remember, no matter how you feel, if you are a man and you are falsely accused of rape... history has shown that you are in a very real danger of being committed of that crime, which you did not commit. Get a lawyer, immediately.

I just hope women use their own common sense about this, because they do not realize they have the power to ruin lives so easily (and some who are guilty of this know, but are just terrible people).
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Posted 10/19/15 , edited 10/19/15

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If both people are equally drunk and impaired then no it is not rape. If one party is sober enough and is simply taking advantage of the other party who is drunk and impaired then yes it is rape. Pretty simple.


I didn't have to even read any other post. This is 100.
But i dont think it counts if the guy is drunk.
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If I'm drunk and she's drunk, did we rape each other?


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he's not a creep he's just trolling ^^


Oh come on, you're the one who necrobumped a thread from last year.
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Posted 10/19/15 , edited 10/20/15

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I don't pride myself on raping others; on the other hand, I'm kind of horny and don't want to pass up my first opportunity because a person was somewhat intoxicated.



Pretty sure this guy just admitted he would rape a girl....
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Pretty sure this guy just admitted he would rape a girl....


One of the rules of Fight Club is to never, ever take Peripheral Visionary at his word. He'll tell you he's a Soviet visionary if you ask.
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descloud wrote:

Pretty sure this guy just admitted he would rape a girl....


One of the rules of Fight Club is to never, ever take Peripheral Visionary at his word. He'll tell you he's a Soviet visionary if you ask.


Wait... he's not?!

PV, I want my vodka back.
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Inebriation removes the ability to grant consent to sex, sure enough. And yet it doesn't remove responsibility for offences such as vehicular manslaughter, property damage, assault, battery, or public urination. Still, can we come to an agreement as a society that if someone's drunk you do not take their consent to sex as legitimate? It seems an easy thing to handle.


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Wait... he's not?!

PV, I want my vodka back.


Eye-gore, you've been on my radar but a short time. And yet I love it!
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Posted 10/20/15
taking advantage of someone is black and white.
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Posted 10/20/15

masked185 wrote:

If both people are equally drunk and impaired then no it is not rape. If one party is sober enough and is simply taking advantage of the other party who is drunk and impaired then yes it is rape. Pretty simple.


^ This.
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Posted 10/20/15 , edited 10/21/15
I went drinking with PV once and awoke tied up in the back of his car.
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Posted 10/20/15 , edited 10/20/15

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I went drinking with PV once and awoke tied up in the back of his car.


Isn't that how all his dates end?

He's probably practicing how to kidnap a loli to have her as a sister.
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