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What if we somehow got rid of the police?
Posted 12/4/14 , edited 12/4/14

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Give an IQ test to police.
That should get rid of a good fraction.


Psychopaths happen to be extremely smart.


I doubt psychopaths make up a large majority of offending police. I would also like a source backing up your claim that psychopaths are smarter than your average schmo. I swore it was the opposite. I know sociopaths fall under this category, but not sure of psychopaths.

Here's what I dug up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Mental_deficits
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Posted 12/4/14
But... my FETISH!!!
If we get rid of the police, then how will I ever live my dream of getting a smexy cop out of her body armor?
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Posted 12/4/14 , edited 12/12/14
I'm sensing "The Purge" would have played a big role in removing them, not a theory- it would totally happen.
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Of course we need police, we just need to correct some of the problems that are happening too much with police in America. I mean, what can realistically be done is that things can be improved from where they are now.

Body cameras are going to start being widely implemented soon. This should prove useful in many cases that come up, since there will be a lot more filmed evidence and less "he said, she said" going on.

Really, I don't know how much it'll help. In the Eric Garner case, the whole thing was video taped and the police officer still received no indictment, even when he was shown on camera keeping a man in a choke hold that is prohibited by the NYPD for its officers, even when the man was moving his arms about and saying "I can't breath" repeatedly. : \


Here is the video of the Eric Garner incident. The autopsy revealed he died because of the reasons that were due to the choke hold the police officer put on Eric. The police officer will not even go to court because a jury decided to not even indict him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g-xHqf1BVE4#t=67
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If the police quit, then there would be nobody to enforce the law. With nobody to enforce the law, it's as good as gone. With the law gone, crime and chaos will ensue. Life would turn into a never-ending riot.
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Posted 12/4/14 , edited 12/4/14
Getting rid of police is an extreme response. You really just need to clean up the corruption and over militarization.
In Mexico people don't appreciate the police because they are corrupt. In Europe where police tend to be less trigger happy and more prone to find non lethal measures its beautiful (though I don't ever see it being this extreme): http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/iceland-grieves-after-police-kill-man-first-time-its-history
As for the recent protests I think it's more about how the judiciary treats police than the police actions alone.

To sway those who don't think training is in order to tone it down, because people are often more sympathetic to pets than minorities it's probably best to just post articles where swat shoot dogs:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25981713/st-paul-police-shoot-kill-2-family-dogs-in-swat-raid

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-shot-dead-swat-team-dispute-dog-poop-article-1.1997732

http://gawker.com/5532226/swat-team-raids-house-shoots-dogs-over-small-amount-of-marijuana

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/howard-bowe/

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=47987

http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/08/cops-kill-dog-handcuff-kids-in-wrong-house-raid/

And finally (this one links to many others):
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/567172

But to say we should get rid of cops is very short sided and a bad idea. It's like saying, let's kill off all our engineers after multiple buildings keep collapsing and people die and no one gets charged. The appropriate response is to fire corrupt cops, provide better training and higher standards for others. Then hold them accountable for when they break the law, as opposed to treating anyone as being above the law.





Posted 12/4/14
Yes every hipster on an iPhone wants police gone.

Until they're walking through Williamsburg after a late night brewing session, and are robbed of their iPhone, pointy shoes, and beard product.


...Then they want police back.
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Posted 12/4/14
Write and hand out tickets instead of resorting to brute force( as a first course of action) for low on the totem pole crimes.
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Posted 12/4/14 , edited 12/4/14

orphenocou wrote:

As for the recent protests I think it's more about how the judiciary treats police than the police actions alone.




Really, this is very true. A lot of police officers do the wrong things in some circumstances, but a significant part of the problem is how the judiciary system lets those who should be punished/punished appropriately get away with things with little more than a slap on the wrist or getting away with it all outright.

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I don't like them. I detest them. But at the same time, they keep order. So. I'd rather they stay, but that's not going to stop me from cringing at them and trying to avoid them if they pass me by.
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I'm sensing "The Purge" would have played a big role in removing them, not a theory- it would totally happen.


I was thinking this
But then again wouldn't there also be people who won't really change? I mean not everyone is going to take that opportunity and try to ruin society right? RIGHT?!?!
Posted 12/4/14
Getting rid of law enforcement could only work with the advent of PMC's (Private Military Companies) or some kind of personal retainer services to compensate for the absence of security. I would expect people breaking store windows and looting were there not some privatised form of security to compensate for the removal of said law enforcement. It would either be like RoboCop's Omni Consumer Products (OCP) or the scenario presented in The Purge. I... would not recommend this. Corruption needs to be weeded out, not the abolition of the entire system altogether, I think. Well, not until we can have an adequete system to replace it.
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Posted 12/4/14

Fozzles wrote:


Biggle wrote:

I'm sensing "The Purge" would have played a big role in removing them, not a theory- it would totally happen.


I was thinking this
But then again wouldn't there also be people who won't really change? I mean not everyone is going to take that opportunity and try to ruin society right? RIGHT?!?!


Maybe, but even if no one kills em' I'll still be stealing a month's worth of beverages.
Posted 12/4/14 , edited 12/4/14
We need the cops and I don't think the solution for the wrong actions of a few rotten apples is getting rid of all the apples.

It is not against the police as a whole, people are protesting because the murderers are free. They, we (because I'm also protesting ) only want to see justice, the ones who kill should face the consequences of their actions. It is not one or two or three!! but there have been many killings against innocent black people in a short amount of time and every time the murderers are set free.

Again, this is not about the police in general but about those individuals who committed a crime and no punishment is given to them. The simple fact that they have a badge doesn't give them the right to kill.

I know your post is sarcasm but I know a couple of people who think like what you wrote and that's the hypocrisy I see around me. It is not bad until it happens to you.
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Posted 12/4/14

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I think that no police is definitely a bad idea, but, I also think that the police have become more militarized over the years and there's an in built us vs. them mentality. And trust me, I get harassed by the police more than most people on this site.

I think it would be better to systematically send them back to training, or give them a decent severance package and find replacement officers.

And remove some of the riotwear they now possess. A little while go I saw a video on facebook from some police station showing off their tank. yes, TANK. Why in god's name does a police station need a fucking tank?!?!?!?!? I'm not for disbanding it, but rather sending them into a time out to think of their actions and take away some of their most favorite toys.


It is reasonable to allow a special task force to have access to higher grade gear for faster response times in areas where it could be needed. Like swat with access to extra teeth for terrorist or gang response. That shouldn't be just any member of the department though. It should require experience, a proven record, and a lack of significant complaints. They should then receive special training and only be deployed when it is warranted.

The "us vs. them" thing is unfortunately not cops, it is human nature. Spend a little time tracking down the various social experiments, it is very enlightening. Kids and adults can be very quickly and easily polarized into groups so long as a readily identifying characteristic is singled out, like eye color, skin color, or uniforms. This is even faster and more dramatic when there is a power imbalance or valued resources at risk. It is difficult to control against.


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Interestingly enough psychopathy has always been studied in terms of the criminal until more recently. Turns out there are a mess of them that are law abiding because they don't see breaking the law as being advantageous, the risk is too high. That sort would make excellent cops since they aren't as prone to be swayed by many emotional entanglements. They would simply want to do the best job with the minimum of effort or fuss. I don't see most of the public being comfortable with it though (emotional entanglements and an emotionally charged diagnosis). The other problem though is that you would have to coerce them generally. They can get what they want and better pay elsewhere, so why would they even apply? Being a cop isn't very rewarding IMO. I have family that do it. I think they made a poor choice of career. You can get better money, less hassle, and you don't have to deal with all this crap every time a member of your profession screws up. No thanks, I'll take something more rewarding with less responsibility and BS.
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