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What if we somehow got rid of the police?
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I think i'll raid the sweet section of a local supermarket.....and probably the games section I mean who even pays the full price for games anymore?
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I think we should get rid of the media and keep the police. The media is in the business of making the news instead of reporting it now.

The facts were presented to a jury and we got a result. It is not the result some wanted but due process was observed. Many people believe OJ was guilty but he was tried and found not guilty. This is the best system we have currently and we can hope it is working. Does anyone have a better system to replace it?
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LordDust wrote:

It is reasonable to allow a special task force to have access to higher grade gear for faster response times in areas where it could be needed. Like swat with access to extra teeth for terrorist or gang response. That shouldn't be just any member of the department though. It should require experience, a proven record, and a lack of significant complaints. They should then receive special training and only be deployed when it is warranted.


The problem stems from bureaucracy and budgets to a degree. You don't keep asking for more, soon your budgets get cut even more. in my tiny town of 2,000 residents, we have 5 police officers PLUS a state police barracks 10 miles away. it's a little excessive. Oh.. and somehow, our local police have nearly twice as many vehicles as they do officers. Go figure.

With the equipment comes the request for more staff, with more staff comes the request for more officers, ad infinitum.

With things like those high level weapons, if they don't use them, they kinda show that the police have excess resources, and get cut back.. So it pays to use them, and "demonstrate" that they really need more of whatever it is.



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The "us vs. them" thing is unfortunately not cops, it is human nature. Spend a little time tracking down the various social experiments, it is very enlightening. Kids and adults can be very quickly and easily polarized into groups so long as a readily identifying characteristic is singled out, like eye color, skin color, or uniforms. This is even faster and more dramatic when there is a power imbalance or valued resources at risk. It is difficult to control against.


Yes. This is true and in military situations it can be far more extreme. It also doesn't pay because of the uniform and the authority, and who they have to deal with all day. But SOMETHING has to be done in order to combat that because the mentality is more dangerous than the weapons they carry.
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I doubt psychopaths make up a large majority of offending police. I would also like a source backing up your claim that psychopaths are smarter than your average schmo. I swore it was the opposite. I know sociopaths fall under this category, but not sure of psychopaths.

Here's what I dug up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Mental_deficits


*sigh* You make things so not fun.

I don't know what you think you'll get from making me look bad, but if I got it wrong, my bad. I'm far too lazy and uninterested to actually try and save face or something. Great, you can wiki search. I simply drew a conclusion from psychopath bios I've read.

I really don't understand what people get out of making themselves appear better than others, but if that helps you feel better about yourself or something, I really don't care. Just please don't get in the way of my trying to have fun.


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Yes, but a lot of stupid cops get a lot of people killed or almost killed, and still get off scott free or with minimal punishment.
(driving while typing on a computer, accidentally firing their weapon while handcuffing someone, pointing their weapons at unarmed people on the street.)
Logic apparently isn't a big thing to a lot of police :s
Might not get rid of all of them, but it'll get rid of a lot of them.


I'm not entirely sure it's an intelligence problem. Plus, an IQ test will pretty much get rid of a lot of people even in other occupations. That doesn't necessarily mean that the ones who get left behind are the best, you know. << My point for the psychopath comment.
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Go to Mexico if you want to see a society were the police doesn't do squat to stop crime.


It's horrible.
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there will still be military forces...



but if you meant all authoritative forces become abolished... then the inevitable anarchism will happen.

Humans are intelligent, however we are like sheep, we need a shepherd to give us fear through dogs, and control through a cane.
Posted 12/4/14

LordDust wrote:

Interestingly enough psychopathy has always been studied in terms of the criminal until more recently. Turns out there are a mess of them that are law abiding because they don't see breaking the law as being advantageous, the risk is too high. That sort would make excellent cops since they aren't as prone to be swayed by many emotional entanglements. They would simply want to do the best job with the minimum of effort or fuss. I don't see most of the public being comfortable with it though (emotional entanglements and an emotionally charged diagnosis). The other problem though is that you would have to coerce them generally. They can get what they want and better pay elsewhere, so why would they even apply? Being a cop isn't very rewarding IMO. I have family that do it. I think they made a poor choice of career. You can get better money, less hassle, and you don't have to deal with all this crap every time a member of your profession screws up. No thanks, I'll take something more rewarding with less responsibility and BS.


Reminded me of this: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-pros-to-being-a-psychopath-96723962/

Pretty fun and interesting read.
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Unless your last name is anarchy and you live In the middle of no where with no constitution and law or social control >yes otherwise no.
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The core issue people are talking about is not whether to have a police force at all. No one is saying that they don't want a police force when they say that they feel their nation's police forces have serious problems with racism and/or misconduct which have passed largely unaddressed. They're saying exactly that: they feel their nation's police forces have serious problems with racism and/or misconduct which haven't been addressed properly (if at all).

Demanding that people acknowledge that there are police officers who are not racist, do not engage in misconduct, and provide a service to the community which is both useful and necessary is to demand that people distance themselves from an argument they haven't made. With that said, demanding that they substantiate their claims that police forces have significant problems with racism and/or misconduct (and further that these problems are not being seriously addressed)? Now that is a demand worth making.

The Eric Garner case is a good starting point for their argument (it's a clear cut travesty of justice), but the question isn't whether these things happen at all. The question is whether situations like that are representative of broader trends within the United States.
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If this was an essay, half of you will get F's...

The question is about what you think would happen if the cops get fed up with the generalized racism accusations and bad press and decide to one day just go on strike and ignore 911 calls, not about what is the "real problem" or how we fix that.

*sigh* This is starting to get extremely boring.
Posted 12/4/14

xDeadlyDollx wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I doubt psychopaths make up a large majority of offending police. I would also like a source backing up your claim that psychopaths are smarter than your average schmo. I swore it was the opposite. I know sociopaths fall under this category, but not sure of psychopaths.

Here's what I dug up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Mental_deficits


*sigh* You make things so not fun.

I don't know what you think you'll get from making me look bad, but if I got it wrong, my bad. I'm far too lazy and uninterested to actually try and save face or something. Great, you can wiki search. I simply drew a conclusion from psychopath bios I've read.

I really don't understand what people get out of making themselves appear better than others, but if that helps you feel better about yourself or something, I really don't care. Just please don't get in the way of my trying to have fun.


demo_Animation wrote:

Yes, but a lot of stupid cops get a lot of people killed or almost killed, and still get off scott free or with minimal punishment.
(driving while typing on a computer, accidentally firing their weapon while handcuffing someone, pointing their weapons at unarmed people on the street.)
Logic apparently isn't a big thing to a lot of police :s
Might not get rid of all of them, but it'll get rid of a lot of them.


I'm not entirely sure it's an intelligence problem. Plus, an IQ test will pretty much get rid of a lot of people even in other occupations. That doesn't necessarily mean that the ones who get left behind are the best, you know. << My point for the psychopath comment.

I apologize if you felt offended, it was not my intent, I was simply asking for whatever source you used in order to come up with your conclusion. Back on topic, I could agree with you; I am not quite sure it is an idiot problem. I hang out with people who aren't the sharpest tools in the drawers, but they're not bad people.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:

there will still be military forces...



but if you meant all authoritative forces become abolished... then the inevitable anarchism will happen.

Humans are intelligent, however we are like sheep, we need a shepherd to give us fear through dogs, and control through a cane.


We don't need the police to protect others from ourselves, but us from others. People want a police that will protect them, not force them into submission. It's selfishness.
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xDeadlyDollx wrote:

If this was an essay, half of you will get F's...

The question is about what you think would happen if the cops get fed up with the generalized racism accusations and bad press and decide to one day just go on strike and ignore 911 calls, not about what is the "real problem" or how we fix that.

*sigh* This is starting to get extremely boring.


Answering the direct question or answering the question that follows the direct question though.

To be honest, the police go away, some chaos, then something else steps in to fill the vacuum. It might be better or worse, (probably worse).

What else would happen?
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serifsansserif wrote:

To be honest, the police go away, some chaos, then something else steps in to fill the vacuum. It might be better or worse, (probably worse).

What else would happen?


Some chaos? Pfft.

Ever seen "The Purge"? It'll be exactly like that, doubly so if you live in an area where others assume that you have nice things. And not only will here be looting, without the police, what's to stop someone from killing you because they didn't like something you said to them?

If people are already engaging in this type of behavior with the police on duty, imagine how it would be if there was no one that would protect you without you shelling out thousands for their help?

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