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Remove Anita Sarkeesian from ME2 dev team
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Posted 12/7/14 , edited 12/7/14

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


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I didn't know she made it onto the Mirror's Edge 2 development team. I personally cant see why the industry keeps accepting her without critical evaluation; most of critical evaluations she has been subject to by Youtubers and independent writers are pretty damning.


Because rape threats and general misogyny is something something ah I don't know what I am typing. She's no Andrea Dworkin, so I see little reason to hate her.

Edit:Read what you typed before I made this. Interesting. Perhaps I need to revise my opinion about this lady.


Here, I'll see if I can find a link to an article made after Anita's third (I think) video going into graphic detail about how she presents her arguments in the most facile way possible. She's literally got no real credibility to her name but insists on waging some holy war against gaming as a whole on the premise that many games are inherently sexist. I'm not saying the base of her "cause" (if it really is what she says she is but there is a lot of evidence saying she may be merely stoking flames to capitalize on controversy) is bad, but she runs some incredibly dubious double standards in her criticisms.

I'll PM the link to you later when I find it, for now I have places to go. I may also post it here if the discussion allows.



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You know, for someone who is so gung ho about being the face of feminism and this neo-suffrage brigade, I was surprised she disables comments on her Youtube videos, which are really sporadic and few and far between.


I wouldn't be surprised, I mean, have you heard of the scandal gamergate? I assume she was gamergate, if not, I am sorry I got that wrong. I don't think she deserved all that.


She's been pretty staunchly against Gamergate participants. I don't wanna go into too much detail about it because Gamergate is quite complex and people against it made it way too politically charged to touch it without being brigaded by radical feminist zealots, much like Sarkeesian herself. For now, I'd say let's avoid talking about it too much before CR forums explode into juvenile ad-hominem attacks.

Edit: Realized I quoted the wrong post, changed the later half of my post to reflect it, still had things to say.

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I signed, no way in hell will I let that cow have anything to do with any video game whatsoever.
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I truly don't know her, so I suppose I must be living under a rock. I google'd a bit of information on her, and I see nothing that she said that was deserving of death threats or terrorist threats.

all it proves to me is that we're living in a man's world where a woman's opinion is constantly being belittled and rejected.
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Posted 12/7/14 , edited 12/7/14

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I truly don't know her, so I suppose I must be living under a rock.


... $150,000 of Kickstarter money vanished to parts unknown ...
Posted 12/7/14 , edited 12/7/14

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I truly don't know her, so I suppose I must be living under a rock. I google'd a bit of information on her, and I see nothing that she said that was deserving of death threats or terrorist threats.

all it proves to me is that we're living in a man's world where a woman's opinion is constantly being belittled and rejected.


Lool at the comment above you. While she certainly does appear to be dishonest at times, that's no reason to go crazy.

P.S. Cow seems like a sexist term. She isn't fat at all, and I heard Andrea Dworkin called it.
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The silence part of the first game was unique, now with she on this she may critic "Why does doesnt she speak more huhuhu"
I remeber that she made a hour long or two hour video about sexim in videogame i was like "Wut the heck "
She does not represent gaming, she does not develop, hope just don't ruin my game.
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Posted 12/7/14 , edited 12/8/14

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I truly don't know her, so I suppose I must be living under a rock.


... $150,000 of Kickstarter money vanished to parts unknown ...


and stealing of gameplay from people on youtube and saying she played through the game while also misrepresenting game itself. (ie. playing a part of manhunt and purposely doing the thing the game says not to do while saying that its encouraged, regardless of the obvious penalties the gameplay is literally showing you recieving if you do the thing).she is a load of barnacles. death threats arent okay but anita isnt okay either.
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Haha. "Anita Sarkeesian doesn't know anything about game development".

Well, I imagine that puts her on a level with most of her critics here.

Does anyone know what her actual role is? This is the first I've heard of it. I imagine it has something to do with a feminist consultant of a certain product? You know, "Hey Anita, check out these cutscene storyboards, what do you think?" "I like them but you're kind of turning this female character into a bit of a damsel in distress." Something along those lines? Seems like the sort of thing she'd be a sensible candidate for.

I don't agree with everything she says - I do agree with a fair amount of it - but that doesn't matter. If EA want to pay her for her opinion, then that is their right. I don't give a damn who they talk to about their games, I care about the product they come out with in the end. Maybe that means Mirror's Edge 2 will come out and be a game that Anita would approve of. If that automatically means you wouldn't like it, then maybe that game won't be for you. But a petition to remove someone from involvement is a pretty petty way of going about it.
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Haha. "Anita Sarkeesian doesn't know anything about game development".

Well, I imagine that puts her on a level with most of her critics here.

Does anyone know what her actual role is? This is the first I've heard of it. I imagine it has something to do with a feminist consultant of a certain product? You know, "Hey Anita, check out these cutscene storyboards, what do you think?" "I like them but you're kind of turning this female character into a bit of a damsel in distress." Something along those lines? Seems like the sort of thing she'd be a sensible candidate for.

I don't agree with everything she says - I do agree with a fair amount of it - but that doesn't matter. If EA want to pay her for her opinion, then that is their right. I don't give a damn who they talk to about their games, I care about the product they come out with in the end. Maybe that means Mirror's Edge 2 will come out and be a game that Anita would approve of. If that automatically means you wouldn't like it, then maybe that game won't be for you. But a petition to remove someone from involvement is a pretty petty way of going about it.


Unless you want to play the game but not in that way. Then it's a logical course of action.

Anyway, yeah, making them lose a few tens of thousands of copies in sales because of it is probably more effective. Might teach these (commercial!) companies a nice 'pavlov reaction' style lesson for the future.
Posted 12/7/14 , edited 12/7/14
I don't care either way. I personally didn't think Mirror's Edge was all that great, and if EA wants to incorporate Anita's interpretation of feminism in ME2 that's their prerogative. Whether they can make a good game is the real issue, something I highly doubt cause it is EA and they consistently turn out absolute dreck then add micro transactions for an extra layer of sh***yness. Anita is the least of their problems.

Though it will all but guarantee a good review from Polygon, given their sex negative Bayonetta 2 review and how prominently their politics are featured.
Posted 12/7/14

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Haha. "Anita Sarkeesian doesn't know anything about game development".

Well, I imagine that puts her on a level with most of her critics here.

Does anyone know what her actual role is? This is the first I've heard of it. I imagine it has something to do with a feminist consultant of a certain product? You know, "Hey Anita, check out these cutscene storyboards, what do you think?" "I like them but you're kind of turning this female character into a bit of a damsel in distress." Something along those lines? Seems like the sort of thing she'd be a sensible candidate for.

I don't agree with everything she says - I do agree with a fair amount of it - but that doesn't matter. If EA want to pay her for her opinion, then that is their right. I don't give a damn who they talk to about their games, I care about the product they come out with in the end. Maybe that means Mirror's Edge 2 will come out and be a game that Anita would approve of. If that automatically means you wouldn't like it, then maybe that game won't be for you. But a petition to remove someone from involvement is a pretty petty way of going about it.


To be fair, if she's going beyond her role to criticize aspects of the game that have nothing to do with her or the reason she has been hired (Make the game simpler so females can play it, seriously?) than I could see why. I don't like it when a game gets lobotomized for no good reason.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

To be fair, if she's going beyond her role to criticize aspects of the game that have nothing to do with her or the reason she has been hired (Make the game simpler so females can play it, seriously?) than I could see why. I don't like it when a game gets lobotomized for no good reason.


That's still no good reason for a petition. But yeah, that would be dumb on her part, and also completely counter-productive to everything she stands for. That example, specifically, I can't imagine she'd ever come out with anything like that. "Make it simpler so women can play it" == "Women are incapable of playing complex games".

Which is of course, ludicrous.
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Whenever I see she speaking of gaming.
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I honestly don't care. I'm not a gamer. I understand how she got harassed, and probably * didn't deserve it. But she instigated AFTER the initial incident, raised an army of zealot followers, took people's money for a game that either never happened, or if it did, sucked so badly nobody took it up or just never made any impact. She Isn't much of a gamer (strike against her), and really, doesn't have much of a history of understanding gaming.

It's like taking one of the health care system's worst critics, and saying, "ok, ok... we give in. Would you like to be one of our surgeons?" I mean it's kinda crazy. So she's on the team.. w/e. What pisses me off is HOW she got on there... Primarily from being an angsty whiny bitch** and getting a whole bunch of people to complain. It's not something she gained based upon merit.

so let her have her game... It will, as many people here are say, suck. Suck hard. Primarily because it will be overthought, and overly conscious of its sexual roles and pre-existing stereotypes.

Games, like any form of media are supposed to be immersive. You overthink it. or create something that causes a mental dissonance with your story and causes the reader to break from the illusion of actually being the character, and you've lost.

Gamergate, rape, tumblr vs. 4-chan... Ungh... it's been a clusterfuck of a past few years.


*definitely.. I have a tendency to not say much of anything as certainty
**when I say "whiny bitch" I don't mean it in an anti-feminine way per se. it's just me expressing slang to explain that she's acting childish, throwing tantrums, and displaying behaviour unfit for an adult
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whoo-hoo, it got 3000 signatures since I signed it like an hour ago! it´s suddenly going very very fast! Keep those signa´s coming people! GO GO GO GO GO GO GO !!
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