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Remove Anita Sarkeesian from ME2 dev team
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Posted 12/7/14 , edited 12/7/14

Legendzerox wrote:

Honestly why is everyone so offended by equality? I side with Anita because feminists don't message people threatening to rape and or kill them or call in bomb threats against them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47-FMmMLy0#t=58


I really wish you were right, because I hate to see any sort of harassment or death threats thrown around...but people outspoken against Anita's brand of feminism are regularly harassed and threatened. Some have even been run out of social networking in public for expressing valid criticisms of Anita and her ilk.

Any public figure, or anyone that gains a lot of exposure is subject to threats, my friend got some for working with the student newspaper in community college and I've received a few myself. The best course of action is to NOT PUBLICIZE them. The police will always tell you this!

If you want to side with Anita, do so because you agree with her reasoning, not because she received threats from insane people or trolls. I personally don't believe she's in it for equality, but that's my take. People aren't raising a stink about this because they're against equality, they're against Anita because they fundamentally disagree with her arguments or suspect her of foul play, and like myself, don't believe she stands for equality or speaks for it. If you feel otherwise though? More power to you, but letting pity dictate your philosophical preferences isn't really the greatest idea - I speak from experience on being burned for doing that once, a long time ago.
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Legendzerox wrote:

Honestly why is everyone so offended by equality? I side with Anita because feminists don't message people threatening to rape and or kill them or call in bomb threats against them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47-FMmMLy0#t=58


That's not the point, she's not a real feminist.

Feminist's stand for one thing, equal rights for both men and woman... What she's doing is using feminism as a excuse for her true agenda, kinda like terrorists uses religion as a excuse for killing westerners.

Mirror's Edge is developed by DICE Stockholm who just so happen to have over 30% woman in their staff, nobody have any problems with them... Infact I and everyone else think they should keep their job, it's just her that should get fired since she's not a gamer and only hating on it because it's a popular thing to hate on... And then she claims to be a gamer whenever it suits her ideology.
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A lot of Sarkeesian's criticisms are not all that deep I find. It revolves around textual analysis so-to-speak, but often is bereft of any heavy empirical scrutiny. I honestly couldn't care less if she was a gamer or not. And I really don't give two shits that she is involved with Mirror's Edge 2's game development. Fine, let EA have her along in it. More power to them. I sincerely hope though that they eventually include other schools of feminist thought in game development though. Sarkeesian's views of sex workers is extremely condescending and arguably objectifying of sex workers. She's been called out on this and the terms she uses to refer to them and their work, but she hasn't even taken the time to reply. Feminism isn't a monolith, and quite honestly, I don't think this petition is helpful at all.

I realize the only restrictions on limiting free speech are placed upon the US government. However, the minute you start doing things like these I think you should realize that you are fundamentally doing the same thing: limiting someone's speech. Sure, its in the private sector, but is that fundamentally different in any sense? I would argue its just another form of private oppression, albeit probably less intrusive than public oppression. Still the end result is the same: speech is silenced. I don't think that is a good thing, and it has increasingly become more and more common over the past decade.


Legendzerox wrote:

Honestly why is everyone so offended by equality? I side with Anita because feminists don't message people threatening to rape and or kill them or call in bomb threats against them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47-FMmMLy0#t=58


Legendzerox, I don't think people are offended by equality necessarily. I think they just simply disagree with her viewpoints. But more than that, they view her as trying to take control and steer the culture of gaming in its entirety into a new direction. It's not that they object to the changing of gaming culture. It's that they fundamentally are suspicious of any one group or persons holding such power over the culture. I think it is a bit of an overblown fear though, and in fact its precisely that overblown fear that has given her so much influence to begin with. Then you have people like me, who simply don't agree with some of her methodology and conclusions regarding pop culture criticism.

Like I said though, I have no problem with her being involved with any game's development.
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I enjoy how she's the "face" of video game feminism when all she does is bullshit her way through topics and arguments so her mouth foaming mindless fans listen to her every beck and call.

Not saying she deserved death threats, (even though there is much speculation that she staged these herself to get pity points.)
http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself
but she's kind of like that little child who goes up to the neighbors dog and kicks it until it gets angry then responds, then runs to her parents when it finally bites and get's the dog put down, so that everyone will assume the dog is evil and shes the sweet and innocent girl.

And don't even get me started on other (actual) feminist gamer kickstarters she blatantly sabotaged.

TL;DR
She's a terrible person who manipulates impressionable SJWs into giving her money for things she wont do.

P.S.
Even 4chan has done more to support Feminist gaming than Sarkeesian has.
Think about that.


Wow I didn't even know she sabotaged kickstarters

She is sounding more and more like a politician than anything else.
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Rohzek wrote:

A lot of Sarkeesian's criticisms are not all that deep I find. It revolves around textual analysis so-to-speak, but often is bereft of any heavy empirical scrutiny. I honestly couldn't care less if she was a gamer or not. And I really don't give two shits that she is involved with Mirror's Edge 2's game development. Fine, let EA have her along in it. More power to them. I sincerely hope though that they eventually include other schools of feminist thought in game development though. Sarkeesian's views of sex workers is extremely condescending and arguably objectifying of sex workers. She's been called out on this and the terms she uses to refer to them and their work, but she hasn't even taken the time to reply. Feminism isn't a monolith, and quite honestly, I don't think this petition is helpful at all.

I realize the only restrictions on limiting free speech are placed upon the US government. However, the minute you start doing things like these I think you should realize that you are fundamentally doing the same thing: limiting someone's speech. Sure, its in the private sector, but is that fundamentally different in any sense? I would argue its just another form of private oppression, albeit probably less intrusive than public oppression. Still the end result is the same: speech is silenced. I don't think that is a good thing, and it has increasingly become more and more common over the past decade.


Legendzerox wrote:

Honestly why is everyone so offended by equality? I side with Anita because feminists don't message people threatening to rape and or kill them or call in bomb threats against them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47-FMmMLy0#t=58


Legendzerox, I don't think people are offended by equality necessarily. I think they just simply disagree with her viewpoints. But more than that, they view her as trying to take control and steer the culture of gaming in its entirety into a new direction. It's not that they object to the changing of gaming culture. It's that they fundamentally are suspicious of any one group or persons holding such power over the culture. I think it is a bit of an overblown fear though, and in fact its precisely that overblown fear that has given her so much influence to begin with. Then you have people like me, who simply don't agree with some of her methodology and conclusions regarding pop culture criticism.

Like I said though, I have no problem with her being involved with any game's development.


I as well don't mind her on a development team. People are over reacting if they think she is somehow gonna fuck up the development of a game.
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demo_Animation wrote:

I enjoy how she's the "face" of video game feminism when all she does is bullshit her way through topics and arguments so her mouth foaming mindless fans listen to her every beck and call.

Not saying she deserved death threats, (even though there is much speculation that she staged these herself to get pity points.)
http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself
but she's kind of like that little child who goes up to the neighbors dog and kicks it until it gets angry then responds, then runs to her parents when it finally bites and get's the dog put down, so that everyone will assume the dog is evil and shes the sweet and innocent girl.

And don't even get me started on other (actual) feminist gamer kickstarters she blatantly sabotaged.

TL;DR
She's a terrible person who manipulates impressionable SJWs into giving her money for things she wont do.

P.S.
Even 4chan has done more to support Feminist gaming than Sarkeesian has.
Think about that.


Wow I didn't even know she sabotaged kickstarters

She is sounding more and more like a politician than anything else.


The kickstarter fraud is false. Don't just believe people.
http://www.dailydot.com/society/anita-sarkeesian-gamers-photoshop-shoe/
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Posted 12/7/14 , edited 12/7/14

Legendzerox wrote:


pandrasb wrote:


demo_Animation wrote:

I enjoy how she's the "face" of video game feminism when all she does is bullshit her way through topics and arguments so her mouth foaming mindless fans listen to her every beck and call.

Not saying she deserved death threats, (even though there is much speculation that she staged these herself to get pity points.)
http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself
but she's kind of like that little child who goes up to the neighbors dog and kicks it until it gets angry then responds, then runs to her parents when it finally bites and get's the dog put down, so that everyone will assume the dog is evil and shes the sweet and innocent girl.

And don't even get me started on other (actual) feminist gamer kickstarters she blatantly sabotaged.

TL;DR
She's a terrible person who manipulates impressionable SJWs into giving her money for things she wont do.

P.S.
Even 4chan has done more to support Feminist gaming than Sarkeesian has.
Think about that.


Wow I didn't even know she sabotaged kickstarters

She is sounding more and more like a politician than anything else.


The kickstarter fraud is false. Don't just believe people.
http://www.dailydot.com/society/anita-sarkeesian-gamers-photoshop-shoe/


That's nice and all, but I was talking about sabotaging other feminist Kickstarters.
I personally dgaf about what she does with her own...
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demo_Animation wrote:


Legendzerox wrote:


pandrasb wrote:


demo_Animation wrote:

I enjoy how she's the "face" of video game feminism when all she does is bullshit her way through topics and arguments so her mouth foaming mindless fans listen to her every beck and call.

Not saying she deserved death threats, (even though there is much speculation that she staged these herself to get pity points.)
http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself
but she's kind of like that little child who goes up to the neighbors dog and kicks it until it gets angry then responds, then runs to her parents when it finally bites and get's the dog put down, so that everyone will assume the dog is evil and shes the sweet and innocent girl.

And don't even get me started on other (actual) feminist gamer kickstarters she blatantly sabotaged.

TL;DR
She's a terrible person who manipulates impressionable SJWs into giving her money for things she wont do.

P.S.
Even 4chan has done more to support Feminist gaming than Sarkeesian has.
Think about that.


Wow I didn't even know she sabotaged kickstarters

She is sounding more and more like a politician than anything else.


The kickstarter fraud is false. Don't just believe people.
http://www.dailydot.com/society/anita-sarkeesian-gamers-photoshop-shoe/


That's nice and all, but I was talking about sabotaging other feminist Kickstarters.
I personally dgaf about what she does with her own...


Beat me to the punch, that's what I thought you where talking about too, I wasn't misunderstanding.
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I agree with some of her points of view on women in the game industry but her presentation and mindset are remote from unbiased and wholesome. The people who used anonymity to assault on the net are assholes but her work so far, especially those funded by the kickstarter, have been subpar. Having her in the development of the sequel of one of my favorite game released in 2008 is something... unpleasant.
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If you don't like it, don't buy mirror's edge 2, simple as that, petitions will not do anything. I don't agree with all Anita says, not by a long shot, but I do believe more diverse opinions on games (and frankly, any kind of medium) can only be good. I don't see any negatives in things having a second opinion from someone with a different life experience. Because, let's be real, lots of games are copy pastes of other games with no originality because they're made predominantly by dudes who don't know anything else. My favorite game ever is Gone Home which was made by a mix of women and men and lots of dudes try to argue it's not even a game (disregarding that most of the devs had actually worked on a brilliant dlc for Bioshock 2 before starting their own company). Load of bull if you ask me.
If you love video games so much that you want to defend them, defend people who are trying to make new and interesting sorts of games from people who tell them they shouldn't. Whether they be dudes or women.
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Posted 12/8/14 , edited 12/8/14
Wow, Anita is help making a GAME? This woman is alot more powerful(not in an intelligent way) than I thought.


Proceed with caution, I guess?
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It is rather confusing why an anti-gamer wants to be involved in development of a game. Yes, I know I'm being extreme, but she wants to make all games look like something that would come out of North Korea. I prefer freedom of choice, so no thank you.
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Posted 12/8/14 , edited 12/8/14
Don't want? Don't pay.
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Posted 12/8/14 , edited 12/8/14
Huh. Definately going to avoid mirror's edge 2 now.

So far as her being on the development team? Seems like being a loud voice, screaming into the ears of the gaming community has stirred up enough controversy to make a dev team think "if she can drum up this kind of publicity, imagine what will happen if we hire her!"

It feels as much a PR stunt as anything i have ever heard before.

Don't agree with any of it. Won't buy.
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I don't even know why they would need her. I thought Mirror's Edge was already feminist friendly.
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