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Remove Anita Sarkeesian from ME2 dev team
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Why can't feminists just go the hell away? I don't want this female supremacy bull-crap.
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Posted 12/8/14

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Why can't feminists just go the hell away? I don't want this female supremacy bull-crap.


It amuses me how many girls are posting in this thread (and not happy with her) yet they still always keep talking as if they represent all girls/women and want to make it better for anyone, like they freakin' own the (female) place. While most girls I know and/or meet really don't care (plain out disagree) with all this whiny bullshit over games and the like showing two half-bared nipples sometimes and the like...

It's annoying. Oh well it at least means they will never have too much actual influence, especially not in a commercial industry which by definition will always be forced to do what's popular. Thank god.
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eragon2890 wrote:


Shnooze wrote:

Why can't feminists just go the hell away? I don't want this female supremacy bull-crap.


It amuses me how many girls are posting in this thread (and not happy with her) yet they still always keep talking as if they represent all girls/women and want to make it better for anyone, like they freakin' own the (female) place. While most girls I know and/or meet really don't care (plain out disagree) with all this whiny bullshit over games and the like showing two half-bared nipples sometimes and the like...

It's annoying. Oh well it at least means they will never have too much actual influence, especially not in a commercial industry which by definition will always be forced to do what's popular. Thank god.


I don't talk as if I represent anyone other than myself, I talk for myself and my own opinions. To quote my post, "I don't want this female supremacy bull-crap." This mostly has to do with and includes, but not up to her previous farces with many many people over twitter. It's definitely left a bad taste in my mouth with herself and her fans waging these little tyrades against people who even so much as dare disagree with them or someone who represents their ideals.

My post is simple, and you blew it WAY out of proportion. Seriously.

Maybe you should think a little before posting and coming off as snobby as you just did. I apologize if that's NOT how you want to be seen by people, but if you couldn't care which is what I'm going to assume you'll say considering your "It amuses me" introductory statement, then oh well I guess.
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Posted 12/8/14

Shnooze wrote:


eragon2890 wrote:


Shnooze wrote:

Why can't feminists just go the hell away? I don't want this female supremacy bull-crap.


It amuses me how many girls are posting in this thread (and not happy with her) yet they still always keep talking as if they represent all girls/women and want to make it better for anyone, like they freakin' own the (female) place. While most girls I know and/or meet really don't care (plain out disagree) with all this whiny bullshit over games and the like showing two half-bared nipples sometimes and the like...

It's annoying. Oh well it at least means they will never have too much actual influence, especially not in a commercial industry which by definition will always be forced to do what's popular. Thank god.


I don't talk as if I represent anyone, I talk for myself and my own opinions. To quote my post, "I don't want this female supremacy bull-crap." This mostly has to do with and includes, but not up to her previous farces with many many people over twitter. It's definitely left a bad taste in my mouth with herself and her fans waging these little tyrades against people who even so much as dare disagree with them or someone who represents their ideals.

My post is simple, and you blew it WAY out of proportion. Seriously.

Maybe you should think a little before posting and coming off as snobby as you just did. I apologize if that's NOT how you want to be seen by people, but if you couldn't care which is what I'm going to assume you'll say considering your "It amuses me" introductory statement, then oh well I guess.


Oh I no sorry, I mean the exact some thing as you wrote in that first paragraph. I just mistyped which made it appear as if I meant the girls posting in this thread. I mean feminists like her who, as you say, attack people over holding another opinion then themselves and act like they don't exist. I meant to say "yet they (the feminists) still always", maybe that cleares things up ^^ . I mean they (people like Sarkeesian) often act like other opinions don't exist and everyone (who counts) agrees with them...
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I honestly can't say I really care that much where she works. Nor do I really care that she isn't a "gamer". Trying to erect silly barriers like that doesn't make much sense to me. We can all consume entertainment without a degree in how said entertainment is made, in fact we do it all the time.
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I hope you don't mind me putting this convo under a spoiler to condense it a little so it's not clogging up the thread.

Now that that's out of the way, I've got to say, you worded your entire response ass-backwards if that's the case. I'd hope you don't do that again somewhere else, it could get really embarrassing. No offense intended it just came off as some sort of passive-aggressive jab which is fairly commonplace when it comes to this sort of stuff. Or are you just being sarcastic? I'm confused.
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Posted 12/8/14

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woah woah woah WHOA!

Anita Sarkeesian is no gamer. She even said she hated Vgames and never played one on one video. Then she blatantly lies to everyone by saying she has always played them when she was a little girl. And people still believe her and give her credit?!?!?!
Why would anyone trust her word if she lies and steals, only going on to cherry pick arguments.

Her goal is only political, it's not to make video games better. And it has spread with all this Gamergate stuff. I don't watch game reviews or go to sites like Polygon.com or Kotaku.com | I refuse to support them at all. They wanna side with politics go ahead.

This is my challenge to anyone of her supporters, if she can talk the talk, can she walk the walk?


I don't think having a Let's Play channel is a pre-requisite of anybody playing video games. I've been what you would term a 'gamer' since the mid-90s, I'm a game designer in the industry, and I don't have a Let's Play channel. So I don't see why Anita would have one either.

You don't have to be PewDiePie or the Yogscast to have a valid opinion on vidya gaems. If EA decided they wanted to pay any one of you in this thread for your opinions on Mirror's Edge 2, I would have no problem with that, so why should Anita be any different?
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Legendzerox wrote:

Honestly why is everyone so offended by equality? I side with Anita because feminists don't message people threatening to rape and or kill them or call in bomb threats against them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47-FMmMLy0#t=58


I don't think in this day and age, equality is a problem. It's that everyone has a different idea as to what "equality" means. (and equal doesn't necessarily mean fair),

A lot of times I find people want "equality" to make up for their own lacking, or a lack of even trying. Or, the whole "everyone is equal. Some more equal than others". That's what gets me pissed.
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Shnooze wrote:

Why can't feminists just go the hell away? I don't want this female supremacy bull-crap.


Feminism is good when you're talking about old school 80''s ad 90's feminism which was about equality and creating equality in OPPORTUNITIES for both sexes as well as protecting them from discrimination. But, it's still up to people to decide whether or not they want to take said opportunities..

so, as I've stated before here, I'm against

1. the methodology she used to get this job, which is dirty and underhanded (bitching and whining until they give her a cushy spot without any merit)

2. her message, which, even if it was idealized to the point where a 50/50 split between genders were represented on the development team and by the games produced, I doubt the consumers want that (the demographics for playes is already 50/50, and more "girly" games as she idealizes are almost never popular.... though I do feel like pulling out the old PS1 and popping in Rhapsody again and seeing if my princess can finally rescue her prince. The game just got too damned difficult as an RPG for me to figure out and I just had a complete lack of time to play it.I also wanted to check out the old Artelier series which I heard was pretty good, and Persona 2: Eternal Punishment is an old favorite... 5 internet points if you can guess what they all have in common.. (it's pretty easy) :P)
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Ikitou wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

woah woah woah WHOA!

Anita Sarkeesian is no gamer. She even said she hated Vgames and never played one on one video. Then she blatantly lies to everyone by saying she has always played them when she was a little girl. And people still believe her and give her credit?!?!?!
Why would anyone trust her word if she lies and steals, only going on to cherry pick arguments.

Her goal is only political, it's not to make video games better. And it has spread with all this Gamergate stuff. I don't watch game reviews or go to sites like Polygon.com or Kotaku.com | I refuse to support them at all. They wanna side with politics go ahead.

This is my challenge to anyone of her supporters, if she can talk the talk, can she walk the walk?


I don't think having a Let's Play channel is a pre-requisite of anybody playing video games. I've been what you would term a 'gamer' since the mid-90s, I'm a game designer in the industry, and I don't have a Let's Play channel. So I don't see why Anita would have one either.

You don't have to be PewDiePie or the Yogscast to have a valid opinion on vidya gaems. If EA decided they wanted to pay any one of you in this thread for your opinions on Mirror's Edge 2, I would have no problem with that, so why should Anita be any different?


Because she's famous(or infamous)/a popular Youtuber
Posted 12/8/14

Ikitou wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

woah woah woah WHOA!

Anita Sarkeesian is no gamer. She even said she hated Vgames and never played one on one video. Then she blatantly lies to everyone by saying she has always played them when she was a little girl. And people still believe her and give her credit?!?!?!
Why would anyone trust her word if she lies and steals, only going on to cherry pick arguments.

Her goal is only political, it's not to make video games better. And it has spread with all this Gamergate stuff. I don't watch game reviews or go to sites like Polygon.com or Kotaku.com | I refuse to support them at all. They wanna side with politics go ahead.

This is my challenge to anyone of her supporters, if she can talk the talk, can she walk the walk?


I don't think having a Let's Play channel is a pre-requisite of anybody playing video games. I've been what you would term a 'gamer' since the mid-90s, I'm a game designer in the industry, and I don't have a Let's Play channel. So I don't see why Anita would have one either.

You don't have to be PewDiePie or the Yogscast to have a valid opinion on vidya gaems. If EA decided they wanted to pay any one of you in this thread for your opinions on Mirror's Edge 2, I would have no problem with that, so why should Anita be any different?


In all honesty, she is but an outside observer, no different than Jack Thompson and other well known figures. Her inexperience shines through when it comes to games, because she assumes the more popular ones are inundated with sex and gratuitous violence. She's no gamer. It's like me bashing a movie I have never seen. Why should we take her word on it if she's not knowledgeable? Where's her credentials?
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1) Calling out any person and trying to blacklist them from the industry because of their opinions is just not cool, although perhaps exceptions can be made for truly hateful opinions (KKK, Neo-Nazi, etc.). And yes, that's what the OP is encouraging us to do, and no, Ms. Sarkeesian does not fall in to the exception. I have no problems with people disagreeing with Ms. Sarkeesian or anyone else; i do have a problem with someone trying to prevent a person from making a living because of their opinions.

You can say all you want to that "you don't like how she got the job", but unless you sat in on her interviews or were in the room when the hiring decision was made, how do you know how she got the job? Oh wait, you don't. You're making assumptions, and using those assumptions as justification to call for someone being blacklisted. That's just plain wrong.

2) While it is true that many games aimed explicitly at women (and not men) don't tend to sell a lot of copies, the most successful and profitable games out there find ways of bridging the gender gap. (BTW, it's also true that most games made, no matter who their intended audience, don't sell many copies!) Games that count their players in the 10s of millions worldwide almost all have that feature: LoL, WoW, Angry Birds, Farmville, Tetris, Super Mario Bros, Pokemon... Arguing that "there's no money to be made selling games that appeal to women" is just plain stupid. The best selling games appeal to everyone, including women.

3) There is a serious problem with how women are portrayed in many games--and reviewers, critics, and others need to be aware of those portrayals. And no, I'm not saying that its never okay to have a damsel in distress. Many games offer virtually limitless character customization--unless your creating a female character, in which case you have a choice between dressing sexy or slutty. Games like God of War or The Witcher get great reviews, with never a mention that they reward the player for having casual sex with as many women as possible and give the impression that all girls are ready to spread their legs at a moment's notice. I have no problems with people making those games or playing those games; but I do have a problem with us celebrating them without stopping to consider what we are celebrating.
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demo_Animation wrote:


Legendzerox wrote:


pandrasb wrote:


demo_Animation wrote:

I enjoy how she's the "face" of video game feminism when all she does is bullshit her way through topics and arguments so her mouth foaming mindless fans listen to her every beck and call.

Not saying she deserved death threats, (even though there is much speculation that she staged these herself to get pity points.)
http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself
but she's kind of like that little child who goes up to the neighbors dog and kicks it until it gets angry then responds, then runs to her parents when it finally bites and get's the dog put down, so that everyone will assume the dog is evil and shes the sweet and innocent girl.

And don't even get me started on other (actual) feminist gamer kickstarters she blatantly sabotaged.

TL;DR
She's a terrible person who manipulates impressionable SJWs into giving her money for things she wont do.

P.S.
Even 4chan has done more to support Feminist gaming than Sarkeesian has.
Think about that.


Wow I didn't even know she sabotaged kickstarters

She is sounding more and more like a politician than anything else.


The kickstarter fraud is false. Don't just believe people.
http://www.dailydot.com/society/anita-sarkeesian-gamers-photoshop-shoe/


That's nice and all, but I was talking about sabotaging other feminist Kickstarters.
I personally dgaf about what she does with her own...


She is not ruining other peoples kickstarters. Quit being butthurt and spreading lies.
Posted 12/8/14
Here's a nice idea.

Why not drop the phrase "feminism" and replace it with something like "equalism"?

Clearly some people cannot tell the difference between "equality" and "supremacy"...
Posted 12/8/14

itsvesper wrote:

Here's a nice idea.

Why not drop the phrase "feminism" and replace it with something like "equalism"?

Clearly some people cannot tell the difference between "equality" and "supremacy"...


Cool, than we can become the Equalists!



Oh, you never heard of the Legend of Korra?

*Silently retreats back into the hole.
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