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Japan, Anime and Homophobia
Posted 12/9/14 , edited 12/9/14
It's 2014, almost 2015. For the most part, the world has made humongous strides when it comes to general equality, i.e. being able to marry the same sex. While there's still serious problems with this world (sweatshops),

I found this video from CNN talking about the first and only Buddhist temple in Japan, located in Kyoto, that allows gay unions, (not marriage because that's not legalized). As it is, there are no gay right laws. You can be fired, evicted from your home, denied health care, and you can't do anything about it. They're legally allowed to do so.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2014/12/04/pkg-ripley-japan-gay-rights.cnn&video_referrer=

Other than yaoi/yuri, anime and manga are not representative of gays. I can't think of one anime I've watched in the past year that has had a single gay character, and the same for manga. It's possibly insinuated, but not really ever shown.

Japan is no more homophobic than the United States, where the line of support is strongly drawn down between those who understand it's not a choice, but rather the person's natural state, and those who use religion as a way to muddy the truth, claiming the same God I think accepts everyone has a list of people he "hates" and is going to make them burn.

Not the case.


But as I said, other than the yaoi and yuri, anime and manga are not showing homosexual characters, and they don't have to....

Japan is a pretty progressive nation, a lot more so than the US, but they still have yet to even consider legalizing gay marriage, or even giving protection of gays, and for the most part, sweep the idea of gay under the rug.

TL:DR - Japan has some issues when it comes to homosexuality, so does anime.

Just to clarify, I don't feel Japan is homophobic at all. There's a lot of people who do, but I don't really don't. I think they're moving at the same pace as most of the world.
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Posted 12/9/14

AiYumega wrote:

It's 2014, almost 2015. For the most part, the world has made humongous strides when it comes to general equality, i.e. being able to marry the same sex. While there's still serious problems with this world (sweatshops),

I found this video from CNN talking about the first and only Buddhist temple in Japan, located in Kyoto, that allows gay unions, (not marriage because that's not legalized). As it is, there are no gay right laws. You can be fired, evicted from your home, denied health care, and you can't do anything about it. They're legally allowed to do so.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2014/12/04/pkg-ripley-japan-gay-rights.cnn&video_referrer=

Other than yaoi/yuri, anime and manga are not representative of gays. I can't think of one anime I've watched in the past year that has had a single gay character, and the same for manga. It's possibly insinuated, but not really ever shown.

Japan is no more homophobic than the United States, where the line of support is strongly drawn down between those who understand it's not a choice, but rather the person's natural state, and those who use religion as a way to muddy the truth, claiming the same God I think accepts everyone has a list of people he "hates" and is going to make them burn.

Not the case.


But as I said, other than the yaoi and yuri, anime and manga are not showing homosexual characters, and they don't have to....

Japan is a pretty progressive nation, a lot more so than the US, but they still have yet to even consider legalizing gay marriage, or even giving protection of gays, and for the most part, sweep the idea of gay under the rug.

TL:DR - Japan has some issues when it comes to homosexuality, so does anime.


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Never seen it.
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Not sure why you want to put western ideals in an eastern society.
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Cardcaptor Sakura has quite a couple of gay characters.
Syoran Li had a crush on Yukito. It turned out he was attracted to his magic but everyone was cool about it.
Toya and Yukito had a relationship of some sort and everyone was always pointing out it was weird for them not to have girlfriends.
Tomoyo loved Sakura so much that she let Syoran Li have her. She said that as long as Sakura was happy so was she.
Posted 12/9/14

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Not sure why you want to put western ideals in an eastern society.


Oh come on, Japan is already Westernizing itself. That's not a terrible thing.


And how are rights a Western ideal? I understand not legalizing gay marriage, but not providing human rights to gays is not something I really understand, even under the guise of "Eastern ideals".
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AiYumega wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

Not sure why you want to put western ideals in an eastern society.


Oh come on, Japan is already Westernizing itself. That's not a terrible thing.


And how are rights a Western ideal? I understand not legalizing gay marriage, but not providing human rights to gays is not something I really understand, even under the guise of "Eastern ideals".


Countries respond to things differently, in America giving rights to LGBT seems to be second nature to us because the majority of Americans agree with equality for everyone. Japan is very steeped in tradition, and a slightly odd way of thinking. Mental illness, and sexual orientation issue are things that aren't at the front of Japan's social issues. While I don't agree with their laws towards the LGBT community, I certainly won't tell them how to run their country. Though it isn't legal to get married, it's not against the law to be in a same sex relationship. I've seen plenty of gay bars in Tokyo, I ran into a group of trans-gender men who identified themselves as women, and met a 50 year old lesbian couple in Kyoto during a pride parade. It's not as wide spread as it is in the states but it is picking up momentum, hell there is some politician who supports for LGBT rights in Japan now(he was also at the parade).
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Off the top of my head, Sailor Moon and Hetalia have gay characters (while said characters in Hetalia are a joke, every character's a joke, so I don't think they are being homophobic). Also, what few people seem to realize is that Japan wasn't always so behind on gay rights. Until 2003, in some parts of the United States, it was illegal to have gay sex. In Japan, it wasn't. Honestly, Japan's laws don't have much effect on anime or manga's gay characters, because it hasn't been illegal to be gay and active in a good while. I do think Japan should introduce new laws for gay rights, but pressuring them into doing it with a "you suck because you don't have them and we're awesome because we do" just kinda seems like the wrong way of doing it to me, yet it's what I see most of the time for this. We should try to sincerely convince them that gays are people too and deserve rights (as opposed to just forcing our values on them like they are doing with loli hentai). Then it would probably work. More quickly even, I'd say. That is how I feel it should be.
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AnimeKami wrote:

Not sure why you want to put western ideals in an eastern society.



militant homosexuals wont stop till everybody not only accept their ways but that most should applaud what they do.it was never about "rights" to begin with it is about the acceptance of society to sodomize any male at will.the gay marriage thing is a ruse to change society for the elite because if people arent having heterosexual relations then there's no healthy family and the govt and hospitals/psychiatrists and big pharma will benefit from the societal debacle.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/cdc-gay-men-represent-2-percent-of-us-population-52-percent-of-people-with-hiv/

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militant homosexuals wont stop till everybody not only accept their ways but that most should applaud what they do.it was never about "rights" to begin with it is about the acceptance of society to sodomize any male at will.the gay marriage thing is a ruse to change society for the elite because if people arent having heterosexual relations then there's no healthy family and the govt and hospitals/psychiatrists and big pharma will benefit from the societal debacle.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/cdc-gay-men-represent-2-percent-of-us-population-52-percent-of-people-with-hiv/



Conspiracy much?

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narfington wrote:


perrandy wrote:


militant homosexuals wont stop till everybody not only accept their ways but that most should applaud what they do.it was never about "rights" to begin with it is about the acceptance of society to sodomize any male at will.the gay marriage thing is a ruse to change society for the elite because if people arent having heterosexual relations then there's no healthy family and the govt and hospitals/psychiatrists and big pharma will benefit from the societal debacle.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/cdc-gay-men-represent-2-percent-of-us-population-52-percent-of-people-with-hiv/



Conspiracy much?

not much when its data to back it up.nation is basically changing its moral compass for just 2 percent of the population.its like changing english for navajo language which as you can tell does not add up

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OK, for the next umpteen million people that are going to list anime titles with gay characters...

THE OP IS NOT TALKING ABOUT ANIME, BOY'S LOVE, OR YURI. PLEASE STOP LISTING THEM.

There's a plethora of titles that have gay characters. (and I will touch upon this is a moment, because there is something in there that I wish to talk about.

I think that in general, homosexuality has been a part of these cultures, and always has, as it has had its place in European and New World Countries as well. African and Australian History? probably, but I cannot name any without research. There are historical stories of these, as well as story depictions.

Although I think there might have always been hatred towards the gay population, I think it's more of one of those taboo stories where gay lovers tended to keep it secret, and people didn't really talk about it or pass overt judgment. I honestly think these things are more modern things to do. (in other words, people knew, they didn't like it, but everyone kept their damned mouths shut, and although it might have been somewhat oppressive, the blatant hate wasn't there either. Not an ideal situation, but not the worst either).

I think that japan in particular has a few nasty things going for it in this realm.

1. it idealizes conformity. Even though they're polite and kind to outsiders, It's still not entirely embracing of them, unlike the melting pot of the USA.

2. It stereotypes like crazy. Stereotypes don't always have to be negative, or intentionally hurtful. but because it groups things (like its own people) into large categories, it's just easier to do the same with outside groups. And let's face it. japan has a stereotype of americans, of the french, of the germans, etc. (I remember reading something about a particular phenomenon about Paris and how it gets idealized and then upon visiting, people feel it isn't all it was built up to be and are extremely disappointed. It affects the japanes more than other visitors too). Why wouldn't they do this to gay people too?

(which we'll take a break for a moment. Anime has some serious tropes for gay people when it depicts them. Outside of boy's love series, -which is a clusterfuck of stereotypes of gay relations anyhow], typically, female gay characters are young girls, and it's just a passing phase. if not, then they definitely play up the "lipstick lesbian" stereotype or they have the incredibly butch lesbian. Generally though it's portrayed semi-positively? When it comes to gay men, OUTSIDE OF BOY'S LOVE, it's typically portrayed as a deviant male behaviour, (though male on male groping seems more acceptable between non-gay characters than it is in the US). and often the gay men are portrayed as effeminate.... Not like your average guys that... oh.. they happen to be gay)

3. It's got this way of magically NOT DEALING with shit. Seriously. if there were a group of people that portrayed themselves as the poster children for conflict avoidance,...

So yeah, those are my thoughts.. Though Japan IS still modernizing like the rest of the world. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong and it's further along than I think.
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Edit: I wrote a post to perrandy, don't know if he read it...look, I was cynical in my post and ridiculed you...I want to desist that...I'll just say...I really don't agree with your stance on these matters, but you are of course free to feel the way you do about these things, but your views on the matter...your first post was talking about stuff that was straight up conspiracy theories. I mean, ridiculous kinds of conspiracy theories.
Posted 12/9/14
looking at the laws is pointless. the laws don't mean jack.... .
have to look at how people in those countries treat minority groups, e.g. homosexuals.

I mean sure, in western societies, the laws say you can't not hire someone due to sexulity, ethnicity gender etc. but who can actually prove that they weren't hired due to their sexuality? the employers can just say they found a more "suitable" person as an excuse.

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what we should look at is comparisons of homophobia-initiated crimes in comparison. are there more homophobic related attacks in western societies compared to Asian societies?

Do people in Asia hold up signs, "God hates faggots"?

Are there higher gay teenage suicide rates in Western societies in comparison to Asian societies?

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Yeah, there's now laws/rights in Asian countries for gays, but I believe the people in asia have always treated gays better than in western societies according to statistics and whatnot. (The reality might the same).



It all boils down to the discretion of each community in each society in the countries.


You can't just say, "Oh, our country has equal laws here... therefore more rights are given to gays"... it doesn't work like that, imo.





P.S. Am not aiming this reply at any person in particular... just my opinion in response to the topic.
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