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Is Atheism a religion?
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Is Atheism a Religion? - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com
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Atheism Myths: Is Atheism a Religion?
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Atheism is a religion, too | Fox News
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From what I understand it's a closed minded view that pretends to be founded by science but with absolute certainty.
It functions as a system of faith where it is assumed there are no gods and no evidence can prove otherwise.

But religion is closed minded worship of a "thing" and not the praise of everything except the "thing".

So it's different.
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You'd have to be specific to avoid making a blanket statement.

Atheists have 2 separate categories: those who reject the idea of god(the loud ones) and those that don't care and lacks a belief thereof.

Not all atheists believe in science/preaches it or even knows what it is. Then there are others who don't hold their ideas up in pedestals and simply see them individually. I'm pretty sure animals are atheists but calling them religious in a god-religion sense would be absurd. Like I said in the other thread, atheists are like non-golfers. They don't subscribe to any particular practice and are unlikely to get together with other non-golfers to talk about how much they don't golf.

A-theist simply means you are not something. It does not inherently give information as to what you are or whether you're a gnostic/agnostic.

re·li·gion
rəˈlijən/
noun
noun: religion
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms: faith, belief, worship, creed; More
a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
"consumerism is the new religion"
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Does it have a figure of worship?
Does it have a set of specific dogmas or rules?
Does it have anything to do with the supernatural?

No? Then it's not a religion.



Sir_jamesalot wrote:
From what I understand it's a closed minded view that pretends to be founded by science but with absolute certainty.


There are some atheists that state with certainty that there is no God. This is what we call "gnostic atheists". However, this is by no means inherent to atheists. There are plenty of atheists who simply lack belief, but acknowledge the possibility of a deity, even if they find it unlikely. This is what we call "agnostic atheists".



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It functions as a system of faith where it is assumed there are no gods and no evidence can prove otherwise.


Again -- no.



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But religion is closed minded worship of a "thing" and not the praise of everything except the "thing".
So it's different.


Yes. Even if they say with certainty that there is no God, that really isn't the same as saying the same regarding any other imaginary creature, like Unicorns, Santa Clause, Dragons, etc.
Yet certainly you're not going to claim that saying there are no Santa Clause is equal to being a religion?
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Obviously I don't spend much time on labels.
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I've heard of such a thing as The Church of Atheism but have never seen it. If this church does exist, then yes there reason to believe that it is an organized religion, but then again saying that there is no God is it's own way a religious belief. After all Buddhists don't believe there is a God and that is a religion as well.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

From what I understand it's a closed minded view that pretends to be founded by science but with absolute certainty.
It functions as a system of faith where it is assumed there are no gods and no evidence can prove otherwise.
So it's different.


This isn't strictly true. I'm an atheist myself, so I'll break it down how a lot of us intellectualize it.

Forget about things like divine revelation etc for now, and take this how I sort of intend it. The default position is that there is no God, right?.

As in, you're born, and until you know otherwise, there's no God. At least not within your own subjective frame of reference. Someone or something has to actually enter your life and impart the idea to you of a God or a belief system.

Atheism is simply an extension of that initial absence of belief combined with a healthy dose of skepticism and critical thought. We tend to think a bit more critically about extraordinary claims.

Basically, we put the burden of proof on the claimant. If you come up to me and say "Hey, guess what. The Earth is 6000 years old and was created by this dude called Yahweh. He plopped a guy into a Garden, took one his ribs and made him a girlfriend, then stuff happened." I'm going to say "Alright, Prove it."

This is the typical point in a discussion where you might point to the bible and say that's all the proof needed. Problem with this however is that my default position as a skeptic is that I don't consider the bible a valid source of evidence. J

Just like the religious person I'm talking to, the bible's making lots of claims without much evidence to back it up.

I might be getting a bit off-topic, but there's a method to it. My point is that obviously I can't scientifically reproduce every claim made to me over the course of my lifetime, but I can for some and for other claims I delegate that trust to peer-reviewed science papers, experts in scientific fields, people who can and do demonstrate that they can reproduce the outcome of a claim they make through experimentation etc... The bible can't do that.
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I think someone posted something to FB not too long ago that the US government recognizes it as such.. :P


There are many religions out there these days that embrace secondary religions..I think the Universalists, and the Bahai

So in a way, they're philosophies/ religions that already exist and are similar to atheism in that they lack a central figurehead of worship, They do have churches, but you don't necessarily have t go

as for the supernatural.....



I still say there's an alien/atheist connection. my experiences has shown atheists to be more susceptible to that belief....

Aaaaaaaan.. apparently I wasn't the only one to stumble upon this,...

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/10/01/study-muslims-atheists-most-likely-to-believe-in-aliens-jews-christians-not-so-much-video/
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I am an atheist and a practicing Buddhist.


There is a difference between your typical run of the mill atheist (myself included) who do not say unanimously "there is no God" they simply say "there is not enough evidence to prompt me to believe", and those fundamentalist atheist who constantly try to change other peoples beliefs and shout to the world "there is without a doubt no possibility for a god to exist and no one should believe in that possibility".

Atheism is not a religion, it is simply a lifestyle and a belief. It is similar to Buddhism in that sense.

however, atheism has the potential to become a religion if enough people decide to write rules and doctrines that govern atheists around the world.

Atheists do not congregate in a church of atheism. Atheists are not interconnected by some organization, they are simply separate people holding their own beliefs and acting according to how they see fit.

However, there is a valid argument that atheism can be considered a non-theistic religion (a religion that does not believe in a god). An example of a non-theistic religion would be Buddhism.

To be honest, If people want to consider it a religion, go right ahead. Any belief system can technically be regarded as a religion and there is really no point in arguing about it.
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Religion =/= Spirituality

Your average atheist is probably a more open minded average joe. There are however those that are zealots of atheism, they're kinda scary. Same as your average Evolutionist is open minded and willing to debate and discuss things. Meanwhile you have a vocal minority that pretty much sainted Darwin and any variation from his teachings is "THE DEVIL!!!"

I'm probably an atheist but I do believe there are some crazy things floating around this ol planet that we don't know about. I'm open minded, I'm not going to dogmatically say "Well there isn't enough proof for me so it obviously can't be true." If you're like that you might as well be a religious zealot.

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Atheism is a characteristic that religions can have or lack, but atheism is not itself a religion. The question is a bit like asking whether the color red is a car because there are red cars.
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I've heard of such a thing as The Church of Atheism but have never seen it. If this church does exist, then yes there reason to believe that it is an organized religion, but then again saying that there is no God is it's own way a religious belief. After all Buddhists don't believe there is a God and that is a religion as well.


No. It's a belief regarding religion, but it's not a belief that is religious in nature.
The chruch of atheism is, as far as I understand, just a gathering-place, as a substitute for the people who have fallen away from religion, but who miss the fellowship and comradery that they had in church as christians. There are no actual dogmas or practices of worship involved.
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Depends on how you define religion.
using this def, from wikipedia

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

Yes, it is. Particularly for the ones that scream "SCIENCE" like it should be worshiped.
But then, the ones who don't probably don't care as much.
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No but even though I don't believe in a deity i hate being called an atheist. a lot of them are d-bags who make fun of you for believing in something and are stubborn as hell and yeah there are some who practically worship science as the guy above me said
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BlueOni wrote:

Atheism is a characteristic that religions can have or lack, but atheism is not itself a religion. The question is a bit like asking whether the color red is a car because there are red cars.


I think it was a valid question as there are many points of view to consider, not just mine at present or yours, and for some it is a religion.
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