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Posted 12/10/14 , edited 12/10/14
So, I bet a lot of you have heard nice guys finish last, or girls love bad boys. Lots of 'nice guys' complain about being friend zoned.

Nonsense. I submit to you, the scientific CR community, that these guys aren't nice but weak. Confusable for one another, I know.

You do not be nice and allow others to have their way. You submit to their way for they are stronger. You do not set a line and let it not be crossed. You never lay down the law, or stand up for yourself. Going out of your way to help friends is fine. But always waiting on them hand and foot? Kindness?! Nay! Weakness!

It isn't that girls go for bad guys. Girls go for strong guys who stand up for themselves!

Discuss your opinions.
Posted 12/10/14 , edited 12/11/14
At least 90% of attraction is physical. The other 10% is if you're creepy or not.
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I stand up for myself a lot, and I'm usually really nice, but friendzones still happen, so I don't agree
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I think it also depends on whether or not you know how to flirt. By default, it's hard to flirt and be playful when you're obsessed with pleasing everyone.
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I'm weak physically compared to most but I don't have any problems for the most part, doesn't mean I haven't been friendzoned before.
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Nice guys finish last. It's a fact. Learn to be a dick at least half the time and shit will go better for you.

As far as girls go..... well girls think they can "fix" bad boys. Women know "bad boys" aren't worth their time. Some females stay "girls" until they die and never understand why they were divorced 5 times or victims of domestic violence in every relationship.

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Phersu wrote:

So, I bet a lot of you have heard nice guys finish last, or girls love bad boys. Lots of 'nice guys' complain about being friend zoned.

Nonsense. I submit to you, the scientific CR community, that this guys aren't nice but weak. Confusable for one another, I know.

You do not be nice and allow others to have their way. You submit to their way for they are stronger. You do not set a line and let it not be crossed. You never lay down the law, or stand up for yourself. Going out of your way to help friends is fine. But always waiting on them hand and foot? Kindness?! Nay! Weakness!

It isn't that girls go for bad guys. Girls go for strong guys who stand up for themselves!

Discuss your opinions.


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Posted 12/10/14 , edited 12/16/14
Phersu I think you are sorely misinformed as to what a "nice guy" is.

You can be a nice guy and not a doormat. I am a nice guy, or at least I would like to think so. I treat others the way I would want to be treated. I am polite, courteous, respectful. I am soft when I need to be and firm when I need to be. I am both caring and strong when I need to be.

To me everything you say sounds like you are basically saying that all men should be stubborn, short sighted, self-centered, demanding and controlling and that everything else is weak, almost like you think the only good thing about a girl is how good they are in bed.

Sounds to me like you're the weak one if you need all that abrasive control in order to feel secure in a relationship.
Posted 12/10/14 , edited 12/10/14

Phersu wrote:

Girls go for strong guys who stand up for themselves!



THANK YOU!!

This is so true. "Nice guys" often get on my nerves because of how needy/weak they are. Especially when they cry. That's a deal breaker for me.
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What so bad about being friend zone?
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Posted 12/10/14 , edited 12/10/14

jeanius- wrote:

Phersu I think you are sorely misinformed as to what a "nice guy" is.

You can be a nice guy and not a doormat. I am a nice guy, or at least I would like to think so. I treat others the way I would want to be treated. I am polite, courteous, respectful. I am soft when I need to be and firm when I need to be. I am both caring and strong when I need to be.


The whole point of this thread is that he's saying exactly the same as you. It's not "nice guys finish last", it's "weak guys finish last". He's saying it's the weak that are doormats, not the nice that are doormats.
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Oh. Well then if I am being too overly critical then I apologize to the OP as the sarcasm went right over my head.
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Posted 12/10/14 , edited 12/10/14

TomCraft wrote:

What so bad about being friend zone?


I don't think its bad. I put lots of people there. Other people have differing opinions, even though mine is, obviously, the correct one.
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Posted 12/10/14

Phersu wrote:

So, I bet a lot of you have heard nice guys finish last, or girls love bad boys. Lots of 'nice guys' complain about being friend zoned.

Nonsense. I submit to you, the scientific CR community, that these guys aren't nice but weak. Confusable for one another, I know.

You do not be nice and allow others to have their way. You submit to their way for they are stronger. You do not set a line and let it not be crossed. You never lay down the law, or stand up for yourself. Going out of your way to help friends is fine. But always waiting on them hand and foot? Kindness?! Nay! Weakness!

It isn't that girls go for bad guys. Girls go for strong guys who stand up for themselves!

Discuss your opinions.





Also, the friend zone only exists if you think it exists. It is an illuion that people have created for themselves because they don't want to admit that they are too afraid to really make the first move.
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Posted 12/10/14
Kinda sounds like what happened on the "Shy Guy" threads. Some weirdos flipped when I said that shy guys have annoyed me in the past because of their inability to simply be direct with me. So yes, I will admit that, being quite blunt and strong-willed myself, I would be far more likely to pity than actually feel for a nice-doormat-guy. A guy who is caring and strong...ooh boy. Far more preferable.

And why do guys obsess over the friendzone to begin with? Regardless of how "nice", or good, or bad, or shy, or whatever else you percieve yourself to be, that in no way obligates a person to magically return your feelings. Nor does it make you the ideal match for the person of your choosing. It just don't work that way lol.
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