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Posted 12/15/14

AiYumega wrote:

Please don't take this the wrong way.

I don't know if it's still as prevalent as it used to be, but kids, teens, even adults take on this image of "thug" and "gangster. It's moved away from big clothes and all that, but it's still sagging pants, tattoos, all that sort of stuff, plus the tough guy machismo that can be mistaken for being a tool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTXSGPKglYU

^^ This video set me off, because it's just so ridiculous. Drinking, smoking, and of course, shooting a man in your trunk. Of course.


Kids from both the inner city and suburbs lap this crap up, and think it's okay to be disrespectful and "fearsome". I see it a lot in NYC, where certain neighborhoods are definitely terrible, just sad broken down ghettos full of crime and drugs, and the idea of being a thug is alluring to a lot of people.

It's not.

It doesn't matter if you're black or white. Gangs, drugs, murder, and everything that comes with it is not the sort of lifestyle someone should idolize or emulate. I enjoy some rap music, but when the message is pretty much explicitly glorifying being a convict, running in gangs, selling drugs out of your trap house, all while beating your b*tch, I gotta turn it off and walk away.

It's smut. Don't emulate smut.


What do you think about this?

TL:DR - Shorty wanna be thug.


I think it's about being poor, and being the particular subsection of poor that has stopped trying to rise above its station via traditional means and otherwise seems hopeless. Those that want to escape reality turn to drugs, those that deal with them do so because strung out motherf**kers can be violent, and because drugs are against the law, mmmmkay? so crime culture kinda inherently has a certain paranoia behind it, and violents, even if you yourself aren't using. The people who live within the poorer ares directly thugs, and hell, the kids who live in better areas that imitate thugs, typically do so because they are emulating something they think is strong and fearsome, because they feel weak and fearful.

Kinda dealing with my nieces and nephews living in an area not far from where my sister and spent about 5-7 of our first years of schooling... Lots of drug and domestic abuse related issues around them (general violence not so much. Gang violence? Almost never.). The nephew kinda emulates the "thug culture" as a shield and barrier of "being tough" to keep out the real problems in a not so great area. Have a brother that's in a very well off area in a rural setting, who has some serious drug related problems. A lot of it is due to having free time, plenty of disposable income, a family that won't kick his ass (though I personally would like to drown him with my own hands), and PLENTY of access. (if we have 1-4 heroin OD's or drunk driving related deaths a year claiming the life of a HS student, THe HS class is usually 200.) His father died from an OD too, so you'd think he'd know better.

Anyway, I bring it into the conversations because you really can't tell why someone turns to that life, and I still say most of the ones that "imitate thug culture" aren't really imitating the culture of the criminal and strung out, and those are the motherfuckers that are scary..
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I saw the youtube video and could'nt stop rolling my eyes and shaking my head. The sad thing is at one point in time these guys learned this behavior from someone else. It is so easy to get caught up in the lifestyle especially if you grow up in the hood. One of my brothers still saggs his pants (not as badily as he used to) he is used to dressing a certain way. So yes people judge him call him cholo but he's been at his job for over 10 years went from a janitor to comptroller he's married and happy . My mom has a back tat and a tat on her chest and she's not a thug, she raised us the best she could. She recently retired from her job after 35 yrs of service. She taught me that being a single mom is rough and to deal with the cards you've been dealt..don't use them as an excuse. I know plenty of former gang bangers who have changed their ways and have grown up, been to plenty of funerals too, others finally found the proper outlet to express themselves be it through art, music, etc.
I enjoy rap not all of it is gang banging, but it does reflect the rappers environment, inner struggles and pain :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB2-VW08wes&list=RDbB2-VW08wes . I can fess up to using thug terms and images when joking around sometimes but I try to check myself, sometimes forum topics like this help check me.
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Without going too far into detail this " problem " is more archetypal than it is stereotypical . The underclass always has had a part of their culture that was considered detrimental to society , that was looked at as cool if only somewhat even by the people who hated it. Just the human attraction to "darkness" . The way that this is portrayed is no different than ; medieval paganism , commercialized mafiaism , that 1950's obsession with lower ranking blue collar society/ " greasers", or the witchcraft / heavy metal scapegoat scares of the late eighties and early nineties . The kids I know who assimilated into that part of the culture have never killed anyone , and neither have many rappers either . honestly he comparison to old metal singers is so tangible at this point . Tons of killing , whether metaphorical or not , were talked about heavily in some early forms of metal, the same way it was in hard rap . Neither should be taken entirely seriously . The same way it was gimmicky with Danzing in the eighties is the way it is with hiphop now. " Entertainers " just trying to fit the upandcoming niche group by capitalizing on what record companies consider the hot new thing , just copy and pasting what artists have done recently .
Posted 12/15/14

Biggle wrote:

Hahahah, All I got out of this was Asians can't be gangsters.


Well, not your typical gangsters.


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Lmfao , Yakuza legends .
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Acting like a thug is just an ideology made due to your surroundings. If people like to pretend to be a thug, even though they come from middle-class families, then it's just a means of trying to look impressive (in their own eyes). Real thugs have a reason to act the way they do. Though that claim may differ depending on how hard life has been to them. Obviously it doesn't justify their poor outlook and whatnot..
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What came first the chicken or the egg?

The reason why people participate in gang violence has less to do with the rap they listen to and more to do with whether or not they are living in in a circumstance that forces them to commit violence. The project have some of the highest crime rates, not because of lil wayne's rapping. If you honestly believe this then you by the same token also believe that video game like Hatred and GTA promotes violence. That's the same argument that bill o reily is giving to cover up the problem.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?

The reason why people participate in gang violence has less to do with the rap they listen to and more to do with whether or not they are living in in a circumstance that forces them to commit violence. The project have some of the highest crime rates, not because of lil wayne's rapping. If you honestly believe this then you by the same token also believe that video game like Hatred and GTA promotes violence. That's the same argument that bill o reily is giving to cover up the problem.


It doesn't explain the adoration of the criminal life by those that do not have any wants or needs that force them to resort to crime. It sure as hell doesn't explain the drug problem in this rural area that I live in especially considering it's one of the top five wealthiest counties (per capita) in the US. There's no big cities for at least an hour's drive, so.......
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well when I think gangster, I picture something like this



as for people who sag their pants, I think their an idiot
Posted 12/15/14

longdanzi103 wrote:

As for people who sag their pants, I think they're idiots.


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FlyinDumpling wrote:

What came first the chicken or the egg?

The reason why people participate in gang violence has less to do with the rap they listen to and more to do with whether or not they are living in in a circumstance that forces them to commit violence. The project have some of the highest crime rates, not because of lil wayne's rapping. If you honestly believe this then you by the same token also believe that video game like Hatred and GTA promotes violence. That's the same argument that bill o reily is giving to cover up the problem.


It doesn't explain the adoration of the criminal life by those that do not have any wants or needs that force them to resort to crime. It sure as hell doesn't explain the drug problem in this rural area that I live in especially considering it's one of the top five wealthiest counties (per capita) in the US. There's no big cities for at least an hour's drive, so.......
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You all want to live vicariously as thugs for a day, admit it!
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I don't really see the point of a culture that glorifies delinquency either. Especially for people who have no reason to behave in such a way, but rather adopt it as if it were a type of fashion choice.

My older brother actually is a gangster, and I see no reason why his lifestyle would be desirable. His life early on was a living hell, filled with abuse, poverty, and every negative influence you can probably think of. He's thoroughly screwed up in the head, and his unstable bouts of anger genuinely terrify me. He's very likely a sociopath. He's been involved in multiple shootings and lives through a cycle of prison, getting out for a month or two whilst giving my family hell, then going right back.

It's nothing to be glorified or admired. It's nothing more than a screwed up life.
Posted 12/15/14 , edited 12/15/14

AiYumega wrote:


I actually just took a listen to the link you posted and all I have to say is...
There are rappers who speak against this, I hope you know that.
People just need to listen to better rappers.
In my opinion, let them be. Maybe they just need to learn a lesson or two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYr2DgoNKfU

Some people learn from mistakes and don’t repeat them
Others try to block the memories and just delete them
But I keep ‘em as a reminder they not killing me
And I thank God for teaching me humility
Son, remember when you fight to be free
To see things how they are and not how you like ‘em to be
Cause even when the world is falling on top of me
Pessimism is an emotion, not a philosophy
Knowing what’s wrong doesn’t imply that you right
And its another, when you suffer to apply it in life
But I’m no rookie
And I’m never gonna make the same mistake twice, pussy!

─ Immortal Technique, Mistakes


TRUTH right there.
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