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Illegal to have sex if you have HIV AIDS MRSA etc
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Should we make it illegal or some sort of offense for someone who was diagnosed with some sort of fatal sexual disease without the consent of their partner. Lets face it, most people who have AIDs didn't know their partner had it but they got it anyways. Most of the diseases end up being transfered to a child being born by said parents who are then pretty much damned to die if said disease decides to become active. I just always felt that people who have a fatal STD should keep their penis/vagina to them and only to them unless their partner verbally agrees to wanting it for the sake of love.
However, some people that just go out and have sex with tens of people pretty much condemn themselves as far as that goes. But what about the innocent people that get fucked over?
To me, all I can say is tough shit, find a virgin. But in this day and age it's very hard to find someone who hasn't had multiple sexual partners so whatever, maybe these diseases are just ways to clean out the Earth of an "over-populated" species that are unneeded and unwanted here (as my old bio prof once said.)
My question is simple, what would you do to protect people? The easiest way to think of it is, what if you have sex with someone you didn't know had a fatal disease ,AIDS in this case, and you contracted it? Is it ok for them to go out and pretty much fuck who they want and ruin their lives and others (babies etc)?

Edit- Also, as for the legislation bit from the pre-edit, I worded it incorrectly and was merely asking "Should people who give AIDs to someone else without the other persons "consent" be able to get sued or something?"
btw this has happened before, and the defendant won. The fine was ridiculous, I'll pull up the case in a bit.

~~~Full edit to make it make more sense it appears that as I typed it I seemed one sided because of horrible punctuation and sentence structure, now I won't make it perfect but I want it to be more of a question of what you think they should do instead of "I think this is right, what do you think" debate. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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hell yes! its the same as shooting someone in the head, in my opinion. everyone should start being tested at a certain age, so they can't say they didn't know.
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Doing that will simply create a greater discrepancy between those who have the disease, and those who don't. Like you said, many people don't even know that they got infected, so creating a regulation to find these people is already not very feasible to begin with.

Creating a legislation will simply point them as criminals, instead of patients, that require medical attention in order for them to be treated appropriately. The solution to their disease is not incarceration. It is, and should be, proper diagnosis, counseling and follow-up medical attention in case of any sudden complications.


Honestly, I think this type of thinking perpetuates the idea that these people are scum in the society ~ which is far from true. Many of these people didn't want to be infected in the first place, and those who are infected probably don't even know that they have the disease. Tracking down the last sex partner to determine the source of the virus is already hassle to begin with, and now you're proposing legislation for that?


Sorry, but I think this is absurd.
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of course.........
every body knows that...............
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HELL YEA! keep others alive!


edsamac wrote:

Doing that will simply create a greater discrepancy between those who have the disease, and those who don't. Like you said, many people don't even know that they got infected, so creating a regulation to find these people is already not very feasible to begin with.

Creating a legislation will simply point them as criminals, instead of patients, that require medical attention in order for them to be treated appropriately. The solution to their disease is not incarceration. It is, and should be, proper diagnosis, counseling and follow-up medical attention in case of any sudden complications.


Honestly, I think this type of thinking perpetuates the idea that these people are scum in the society ~ which is far from true. Many of these people didn't want to be infected in the first place, and those who are infected probably don't even know that they have the disease. Tracking down the last sex partner to determine the source of the virus is already hassle to begin with, and now you're proposing legislation for that?


Sorry, but I think this is absurd.


wow... he makes a good point



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imo i think that once you turn ow say 15 you should be tested for hiv and the such and every year or 6 months after that you should be tested again and all your results should be kept on record so that future partners can check to see if you have any std's
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=\ That's kinda cruel, like edsamac said they are patients, not criminals.

It's both of there faults if one of them get a STD. Go get tested first, if you don't then boo-hoo.
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They are criminals, Sinners in the eyes of god. let them be punished so.
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It's pretty hard to approve such a law. I mean, just like what edsamac said, not all AIDS victims want to be infected. Heck, maybe they just got it accidentally (I don't know how but you know what I mean). Maybe tracking people who have AIDS to isolate them from the population from further spreading the disease could be more acceptable than treating them as criminals.
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Onerain wrote:

They are criminals, Sinners in the eyes of god. let them be punished so.


Yeah? So a man and his wife, both of which are devout catholics, both infected by aids, are sinners in the eyes of god?


News flash ~ we're all sinners. Don't throw morality into this debate.



Further more, what if he/she received AIDS through non sexual means? You can get AIDS through basically any type of inadvertent fluid exchange. Use of an unsterilized needle for blood sampling is one of the most common means of inadvertent, AIDS transfer morbidities, and it happens more often than you think.


RedRabbit wrote:

imo i think that once you turn ow say 15 you should be tested for hiv and the such and every year or 6 months after that you should be tested again and all your results should be kept on record so that future partners can check to see if you have any std's


This is far more sensitive than you think. Do you think the screening test is as simple as getting a blood sample? You're also asked for the last time you had sexual intercourse, and if you did, the person you had sex with. This being a very private matter, do you think most patients would be willing to disclose such private information, in the case that they do contract the virus?

And a one year period is too great a period to assess when the individual got the disease. What if they are a sexually promiscuous individual, having more than one sexual partner within a given period of time? Would he have to divulge their names if he is found positive?

And in that event, it's not determined what point in time he was infected, and therefore, all people he/she may list are suspected as HIV positive. If I was the doctor that had to call all his sexual contacts and inform them that they might be HIV positive, how should I react if the patient demanded me of the person who possibly infected him? How do I reassure the patient without the burden of having to keep my other patient's identity confidential?


There are just too many issues that have to be weighed before you can make this a simply, yearly screening test. This isn't a drug test ~ it's a virus test, and a pandemic one at that. So quite frankly, this type of system is far from perfect, and I doubt many people would feel comfortable divulging personal information at that.
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if you know you have AIDS and have sex with someone it should be a crime!
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^ I throw the question back at you... How do you know for sure that someone isn't telling a lie when they said they "didn't know that they had AIDS"?

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Onerain wrote:

They are criminals, Sinners in the eyes of god. let them be punished so.


What?

Where does it say that in the bible?
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Onerain wrote:

They are criminals, Sinners in the eyes of god. let them be punished so.


To that quote all I'm going to say is NO, doesn't make any sense.

I don't think it should be illegal. Its part of how you live your life. If a person is infected with a transferable disease such as HIV,AIDS, Hepatitis, and doesn't realize it and passes it on its not their fault. If a person knows they have a disease and doesn't care or feels injustice that their sick and wants to infect others then yes they should be punished. When a person gets diagnosed with these disease I think you get put in the system like the CDC and state health department. Its not just up to the infected parties to protect you. Its up to you practice safe sex, have future spouse tested before marriage, or something even 100% effective in preventing getting an STD Abstinence before marriage. I don't really know how MRSA(Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus) is in this category but that's something that when diagnosed gets treated immediately and gets put in the system. I guess if its MRSA of the blood or in your sexual parts then it could be passed on via intercourse. I'll have to look into that.
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uhhh kinda a stupid question first of all its not illegal to have sex (dont bring rape into the conversation plz) and second you cant no for sure if you have aids or any of that jazz until a certain time for the simple reason of the virus pretty much time activated and if you question yourself get checked periodically...its your choice to have sex, if your that stupid enough to not use a condom thats you and your parters fault...better yet if we were to consider abstinence and have some morality, not do premarital sex than this could all be avoided and/or have std ratings drop exponentially
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