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How Do You Feel About the Defrosting of Relations Between Cuba and the USA?
Posted 12/23/14

Kageru77 wrote:

Dialogue with Cuba is a good thing. 50 years for an embargo is long enough. The world now and the geopolitical landscape is far different then it was back then.

Ultimately though, as BlueOni noted, its just political maneuvering by Obama to take Cuba out of Russias equation for his new cold war fight he decided to pick.

Also, corporations are lining up to start plucking dollars out of the pockets of the 10 million or so Cubans there are down there. In the end everything Obama does is to the benefit of his corporate masters. people everywhere are just cattle and money trees. Congress wont lift the embargo immediately since it will take a while to grease the right palms and let the lobbyists draft convoluted cleverly written legislation but it will happen eventually..


But won't the people benefit as well if the embargo is lifted?
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Posted 12/23/14 , edited 12/23/14

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But won't the people benefit as well if the embargo is lifted?



they will have access to some new toys, but i highly doubt the quality of life will improve much. Its not improving here, so why would pushing consumerism down their throats next improve theirs. Call me a cynic, but our government isnt interested in how any population anywhere would benefit from our domestic and international policies. Its all about regime change and influence, installing central banking systems and defrauding the population out of their money and wealth that they work hard for.

Edit: the Ukranians saw that coming a mile away, thats why half that country said fuck that shit and asked Russia for protection.
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Posted 12/23/14
I think it is a smart move for the economy. Plus if you were to ask any teenager what happened 50 years ago, some wouldnt be able to tell you
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Posted 12/23/14 , edited 12/23/14
Yes of course. I don't like tensions
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Don' really care either way, sure some US businesses are going to make more money out of this as well as the Cuban government, but you kidding yourselves if you think the Cuban people are going to gain any real freedom anytime soon.
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Posted 12/23/14 , edited 12/23/14

Kageru77 wrote:

they will have access to some new toys, but i highly doubt the quality of life will improve much. Its not improving here, so why would pushing consumerism down their throats next improve theirs. Call me a cynic, but our government isnt interested in how any population anywhere would benefit from our domestic and international policies. Its all about regime change and influence, installing central banking systems and defrauding the population out of their money and wealth that they work hard for.

Edit: the Ukranians saw that coming a mile away, thats why half that country said fuck that shit and asked Russia for protection.


More like Russia, in response to popular protest against and parliamentary impeachment of their puppet Yanukovych after he fled the country, decided to reassert its dominance by first annexing Crimea, then by equipping domestic terrorists in Donbass and Luhansk with Russian sympathies with training, weapons, personnel (oh, I mean "volunteers" who just so happened to be Russian military personnel went into Ukraine "of their own free will"), and logistical support, and finally by shelling Ukrainian troops trying to bring the situation back under control.

The legitimate Ukrainian government, meanwhile, is wise to Russia's game and is seeking NATO membership to protect themselves from a continuation of such aggression. Their parliament recently withdrew their non-aligned status, an important step in the road to becoming a NATO member state. Russia, naturally, is furious with this move and condemns Ukraine for having the nerve, the gall, to decide on its own with whom to establish international economic and military relations. The nerve of some people, amirite?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-votes-to-take-step-toward-nato-immediately-angering-russia/2014/12/23/e30c6608-6199-4803-9a40-3bb2b1dea478_story.html
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Posted 12/24/14
POTUS summed it pretty well... Fifty years of policy that never worked, time for a change.

The nay-sayers will be saying, "Just a little bit longer." BUT they've been saying "that" as long as I've been alive...
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Posted 12/24/14


Ahh yes. The official spoonfed story. American media is a funny thing as they seem to like to leave a lot of information out. Like the involvement of washinton based think tanks that pumped billions into the Ukraine protests, and the recorded phone calls of European heads of state discussing who was being put in place to run Ukraine next....

who really knows for sure anyway? Nobody. were not rich enough to be "in the know". Bottom line is that place is now a clusterfuck and a mess. Cant blame some of them for not wanting our thinly veiled "democracy".
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Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

Kageru77 wrote:

Ahh yes. The official spoonfed story. American media is a funny thing as they seem to like to leave a lot of information out. Like the involvement of washinton based think tanks that pumped billions into the Ukraine protests, and the recorded phone calls of European heads of state discussing who was being put in place to run Ukraine next....

who really knows for sure anyway? Nobody. were not rich enough to be "in the know". Bottom line is that place is now a clusterfuck and a mess. Cant blame some of them for not wanting our thinly veiled "democracy".


The fact is, as far as I am aware, that Russia has engaged in illegal military action against Ukraine, and assuming that's the case the US should respond accordingly by seeking to cut off military, economic, and diplomatic assets to Russia however it can (including by improving relations with Cuba). I have already admitted the coldness and rational selfishness of this calculation in earlier posts, so it's not as if I'm breaking some pretense that opening diplomatic relations with Cuba is all about Cubans. That's part of it, but another big part of it is jabbing a knife in Russia's ribs. That's geopolitics. They're an ugly, sordid business, but they're also an essential one.

Where have you gotten this information that the Euromaidan was spurred by Washington think tanks, and which specific think tanks are implicated in this action? Let's get specific.
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Posted 12/24/14
I don't a lot on the subject besides the Cold War, but getting better relations seems great.
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