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Moe = Softcore Lolicon?
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/pharrell-williamss-lolicon-girl


This seems like a legitimate source of news, I mean, this is what well refined people read, right?


To sum up the part of the article I wanted you guys to notice.

"Still, the headlines sent lolicon underground for many years, and in the nineteen-nineties creators reared on the genre absorbed, defanged, and desexualized it for the mainstream. Today, it has morphed into an animation style called moé, after a kanji character meaning both “burning” and “bursting into bud.” In moé, sexuality is treated indirectly; rather than showing overtly pornographic images, it focusses on “slice of life” dramas that allow consumers—mainly adult men—to observe the budding sexuality of pre-teen and teen-age girls from a discreet remove."


Your opinion?


Edit: Hmm, It might do it better to move it to General Discussion.
Posted 12/24/14
I'm pretty sure that's not how moe works S:
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LOL dafuq.
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Moe is about cuteness, lolicon is stuff with clearly underaged characters in sexual situations. Loli's can be moe, however the term "lolicon" is a term used to define an individual who is sexually infatuated with a minor.
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

AzazelOfNexium wrote:

Moe is about cuteness, lolicon is stuff with clearly underaged characters in sexual situations. Loli's can be moe, however the term "lolicon" is a term used to define an individual who is sexually infatuated with a minor.


Lolicon is about cuteness too.
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Posted 12/24/14
I agree with the article.

Moe= fanservice through infantilization
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I'm pretty sure that's not how moe works S:


Seconded.
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Loli is about cuteness, Lolicon however...is not. I think you are mixing up the definition of Loli and Lolicon. Lolicon is a term spurned by Vladimir Nabokov's novel "Lolita" in which a middle aged man is attracted to an under-aged girl, who he becomes sexually involved with after becoming her stepfather.

Loli is a term used to define a character with prepubescent features (very small and petite, flat chest, often looks like a child).

Lolicon however, is the nice way of calling someone a pedophile in japan.


Loli is a type of character trait, Lolicon is a pedophilic state of mind

the "Con" in Lolicon, is short for complex.

Lolicon= Lolita complex (someone attracted to an under-aged girl)

another example is Siscon = Sister Complex (Someone who is attracted to their sister)
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Posted 12/24/14

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AzazelOfNexium wrote:

Moe is about cuteness, lolicon is stuff with clearly underaged characters in sexual situations. Loli's can be moe, however the term "lolicon" is a term used to define an individual who is sexually infatuated with a minor.


Lolicon is about cuteness too.


No... lolicon is about sexualised children. It's never treated as a nice thing in anime. They are always treated as perverts that are either barely tolerated or on the fringes of society.

I think you might be confusing it with Gothic Lolita, where girls dress up as Victorian china dolls. It's where we get the word loli and from there lolicon.

Moe is about cuteness, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sexuality and can be anything really.
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

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Loli is about cuteness, Lolicon however...is not. I think you are mixing up the definition of Loli and Lolicon. Lolicon is a term spurned by Vladimir Nabokov novel "Lolita" in which a middle aged man is attracted to a under-aged child.

Loli is a term used to define a character with prepubescent features (very small and petite, flat chest, often looks like a child).

Lolicon however, is the nice way of calling someone a pedophile in japan.


Loli is a type of character trait, Lolicon is a pedophilic state of mind

the "Con" in Lolicon, is short for complex.

Lolicon= Lolita complex (someone attracted to an under-aged girl)

another example is Siscon = Sister Complex (Someone who is attracted to their sister)


Lolicon (ロリコン?), also romanised as lolikon or rorikon, is Japanese discourse or media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon

Studies of lolicon fans state that they are attracted to an aesthetic of cuteness rather than the age of the characters

Shigematsu, Setsu (1999). "Dimensions of Desire: Sex, Fantasy and Fetish in Japanese Comics". In Lent, J.A. Themes and Issues in Asian Cartooning: Cute, Cheap, Mad and Sexy. Bowling Green, OH: Bowling Green State University Popular Press. pp. 129–130. ISBN 978-0-87972-779-6.

Seems right to me. Lolicons aren't actually attracted to real underage girls at all for the most part, as they fall below the ideal loli.

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AzazelOfNexium wrote:

Moe is about cuteness, lolicon is stuff with clearly underaged characters in sexual situations. Loli's can be moe, however the term "lolicon" is a term used to define an individual who is sexually infatuated with a minor.


Lolicon is about cuteness too.


No... lolicon is about sexualised children. It's never treated as a nice thing in anime. They are always treated as perverts that are either barely tolerated or on the fringes of society.

I think you might be confusing it with Gothic Lolita, where girls dress up as Victorian china dolls. It's where we get the word loli and from there lolicon.

Moe is about cuteness, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sexuality and can be anything really.


I find sexualized children to be adorable. It can be said that children in anime are generally portrayed as being prettier and sexier than real girls in real life.

I would also really like for someone to prove that moe isn't about sexuality.
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Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14
I don't think you fully understand what you are saying... just don't go around saying that you like sexualized children or you will quickly find yourself alone.

Also if you are trying to argue a point, you should never use wikipedia as your source.
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

kitsuneshoujo wrote:

I don't think you fully understand what you are saying... just don't go around saying that you like sexualized children or you will quickly find yourself alone.

Also if you are trying to argue a point, you should never use wikipedia as your source.


Wikipedia is generally useful for starting out basic research, so I generally trust it. Though you might be correct, Moe is basically desexualized lolicon, which would alter the definition one way or another, since Lolicon is obsessed with the sexual characterisrtics if anything else.

I also used the New Yorker If that means anything. They're generally good for fact checking.

Also, At Azaeal. I think there's more than one definition of lolicon. I have heard self proclaim fans of the medium call themselves lolicon as well, but I have met few to 0 that are attracted to real life children.
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Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14


You being sexually turned on by Moe anime has nothing to do with anyone else. I am not sexually attracted to moe characters, I find them cute, and as a human being, I crave to see cute things.

There is nothing inherently sexual about moe anime. Do you get a raging boner than needs to be dealt with while watching K-ON? I dont.

Just because something deals with the physical aspects of a character, doesn't mean its inherently sexual in nature.

Something being about sexuality is subjective.

Feet are not a sexual object, yet some people have fetishism geared towards feet, which makes feet for them, something sexual.

It is purely subjective as to whether or not something is about sexuality.
Posted 12/24/14

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You being sexually turned on by Moe anime has nothing to do with anyone else. I am not sexually attracted to moe characters, I find them cute, and as a human being, I crave to see cute things.

There is nothing inherently sexual about moe anime. Do you get a raging boner than needs to be dealt with while watching K-ON? I dont.

Just because something deals with the physical aspects of a character, doesn't mean its inherently sexual in nature.

Something being about sexuality is subjective.

Feet are not a sexual object, yet some people have fetishism geared towards feet, which makes feet for them, something sexual.

It is purely subjective as to whether or not something is about sexuality.


Maybe we're all lolicon to some extent...I don't even know what I am saying. Cuteness itself is subjective, and I just find lolicon to be really cute.
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As I stated before, finding Lolita characters cute, has nothing to do with being a lolicon.

Loli's are cute, they are made to be cute.

Finding them cute has nothing to do with Lolicon.

A lolicon is someone who is sexually attracted and infatuated with under-aged, prepubescent girls.

The vast majority of the anime community is not a lolicon. A lolicon is a pedophile. There is no and ifs or buts. A lolicon, BY DEFINITION; is someone sexually infatuated with under-aged girls; it has nothing to do with finding something cute.

You can think something is cute, without being sexually attracted to it. I find kittens cute, it doesn't mean I want to have sex with one.

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