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Moe = Softcore Lolicon?
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

AzazelOfNexium wrote:




As I stated before, finding Lolita characters cute, has nothing to do with being a lolicon.

Loli's are cute, they are made to be cute.

Finding them cute has nothing to do with Lolicon.

A lolicon is someone who is sexually attracted and infatuated with under-aged, prepubescent girls.

The vast majority of the anime community is not a lolicon. A lolicon is a pedophile. There is no and ifs or buts. A lolicon, BY DEFINITION; is someone sexually infatuated with under-aged girls; it has nothing to do with finding something cute.



Aren't lolicons fan of lolicon? YOu don't need a boner to be a legitimate fan. Pedophiles are also people attracted to real girls, aren't they? I'm disgusted by the filthiness of real ones. I really do need to cite the article again.

A Japanese term derived from the English phrase “Lolita complex,” lolicon describes a fascination with cartoons of very young-looking girls engaged in varying degrees of erotic behavior. (The word can be used to describe both the genre and its aficionados.) What can really confuse non-Japanese is that lolicons, who exist in large numbers in Japan, actually prefer illustrated art over real or photographic portrayals of girls, a predilection that’s known as a “2D complex.” This one-step removal from reality is the genre’s key feature, and it’s what keeps lolicon legal—if still, as non-fans note, “creepy.” Almost all of Mr.’s work is related to lolicon; in a 2007 interview, he described his efforts as a sort of safety valve, “releasing my fantasy world through my work instead of acting it out in real life.”

P.S. I don't seek to offend, so sorry if I say anything or said anything offensive to you. Merry Christmas.
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Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14
You're using the word wrong... you should use the word Gothic Lolita or you will really strange looks from people. People outside the anime culture are just going to assume you are a budding pedophile and won't want to associate with you.

If you don't know what words mean you either shouldn't use them or learn what they mean properly. And the reason why you shouldn't use wikipedia is that the info can be changed by anyone. Sure it's usually checked by people, but who knows if it was correct at the time of searching. If you get into college and you start writing papers your teacher will hand your work back if there's wikipedia sources listed... unless they are really lax about it.

Azazel says to use loli, but even then I would be careful because outsiders are just going to associate loli with lolicon and assume you're a pedo.
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

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You're using the word wrong... you should use the word Gothic Lolita or you will really strange looks from people. People outside the anime culture are just going to assume you are a budding pedophile and won't want to associate with you.

If you don't know what words mean you either shouldn't use them or learn what they mean properly. And the reason why you shouldn't use wikipedia is that the info can be changed by anyone. Sure it's usually checked by people, but who knows if it was correct at the time of searching. If you get into college and you start writing papers your teacher will hand your work back if there's wikipedia sources listed... unless they are really lax about it.


I find schools to be overly paranoid about this sort of thing just because of a few bad rumors that have been listed on the internet.
I also don't understand. Is Lolicon not a fan of lolicon?

A Japanese term derived from the English phrase “Lolita complex,” lolicon describes a fascination with cartoons of very young-looking girls engaged in varying degrees of erotic behavior. (The word can be used to describe both the genre and its aficionados.

I find gothic lolita to be a strange term with fashion I myself dislike.


I get the feeling people want to draw a fine distinction between moe and lolicon, despite whatever relationship they might have to one another.
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Posted 12/24/14
You don't understand so you quote someone else who has little to no understanding of it... >.>

Lolicon is someone who seeks sexual gratification from images of little girls (or boys). In simple internet speak, it's fap-material and has nothing to do with simple cuteness.

Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

kitsuneshoujo wrote:

You don't understand so you quote someone else who has little to no understanding of it... >.>

Lolicon is someone who seeks sexual gratification from images of little girls (or boys). In simple internet speak, it's fap-material and has nothing to do with simple cuteness.



That's your definition, and it seems we all have definitions of what is defined as lolicon. Some people include milder works as being loli in nature, like Shiro from NGNL. I can see someone fawning over a panty shot of Shiro without masturbating.


I have a feeling I should stop talking now, before I say something that's stupid.
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Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14


As I have stated.

You can find loli's cute, WITHOUT BEING A LOLICON.

you become a lolicon when you want to pillage the pooper of an under-aged girl.

i dont know how i can simplify it anymore than that.

someone becomes a lolicon when he sexually gratified by looking at little girls getting sexed,

Posted 12/24/14

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As I have stated.

You can find loli's cute, WITHOUT BEING A LOLICON.

you become a lolicon when you want to pillage the pooper of an under-aged girl.

i dont know how i can simplify it anymore than that.

someone becomes a lolicon when he sexually gratified by looking at little girls getting sexed,

Oh, now I get what you are trying to say.

I'm slow sometimes.
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kitsuneshoujo wrote:

You don't understand so you quote someone else who has little to no understanding of it... >.>

Lolicon is someone who seeks sexual gratification from images of little girls (or boys). In simple internet speak, it's fap-material and has nothing to do with simple cuteness.



That's your definition, and it seems we all have definitions of what is defined as lolicon. Some people include milder works as being loli in nature, like Shiro from NGNL. I can see someone fawning over a panty shot of Shiro without masturbating.


I have a feeling I should stop talking now, before I say something that's stupid.


*heavy sigh* I'm not just making shit up to be talking, that IS the definition of what a lolicon is... not just mine.
Posted 12/24/14

kitsuneshoujo wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


kitsuneshoujo wrote:

You don't understand so you quote someone else who has little to no understanding of it... >.>

Lolicon is someone who seeks sexual gratification from images of little girls (or boys). In simple internet speak, it's fap-material and has nothing to do with simple cuteness.



That's your definition, and it seems we all have definitions of what is defined as lolicon. Some people include milder works as being loli in nature, like Shiro from NGNL. I can see someone fawning over a panty shot of Shiro without masturbating.


I have a feeling I should stop talking now, before I say something that's stupid.


*heavy sigh* I'm not just making shit up to be talking, that IS the definition of what a lolicon is... not just mine.


Others agree with the above article I shared. Who's to say one is wrong and one is right?
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Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14
Fine, have it your way. Call it what you want; but when you're ostracized and people won't let you near their children, don't say I didn't warn you.

Merry Christmas.
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

kitsuneshoujo wrote:

Fine, have it your way. Call it what you want; but when you're ostracized and people won't let you near their children, don't say I didn't warn you.

Merry Christmas.


Merry Christmas to you too.

P.S. I still have common sense.
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kitsuneshoujo wrote:

Fine, have it your way. Call it what you want; but when you're ostracized and people won't let you near their children, don't say I didn't warn you.

Merry Christmas.




I fucking laughed so hard reading that line I fell out my chair.
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14
here watch demolition d's point of view.

its NFSW
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That article was an interesting read. I had seen the video a while back, and nothing seemed off to me personally. As far as the age of the girls in the video, when it comes to animation it is impossible to tell. Take a show like Lucky Star. Everyone, even the adults could be per-pubescent girls if paired with another animation style. Pharrell looked a lot younger himself. The "It Girl" could be 14, or she could be 18+. There is no way of knowing. Hell, my sister is almost 19, but she looks like she's in her lower teens.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand.

When talking about Moe or Lolita in media, it's ALL about attraction, every single bit of it, whether that attraction is deemed sexual or not.

Moe is a term for budding love/romance, usually from innocence or an innocent mental/emotional state. Anything that is meant to draw feelings of attraction from the viewer to a character that is not outwardly erotic/sexual can be considered Moe, such as when a character shines a radiant smile at the screen, or acts a little clumsy, or even when the character is crying and you just want to comfort her. This is all within the spectrum of Moe. There is also a more internal Moe, where the relation or attraction is within the anime itself between two of the characters. This is also considered Moe, even if the viewer is on the sidelines. To say that Moe is softcore Lolicon, is completely incorrect. As a side note, it is generally viewed that Moe can refer to both female characters AND male.

Lolicon, and its less prevalent but still available male counterpart Shotacon, are where this attraction looses its innocence. Lolicon on its own in NOT pornographic, although it is widely seen as such. What it does is take a young girl, whether by appearance only or actual age, and turn her into an object of sexual desire. If you take a fully clothed young looking girl and present her in a way that's meant to be provocative, such as having her lift her leg so that you can almost see her underwear, that is not Moe. That is meant to illicit arousal. That is Lolicon, albeit soft. This does of course range from something as seemingly innocent/playful as that example to the worst of hardcore pornographic material. This is why in Japan Lolicon is seen as synonymous with Pedophile, although in general those who profess to be Lolicon separate their attraction from real world girls, but this is not always the case.
Posted 12/24/14 , edited 12/24/14

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here watch demolition d's point of view.

its NFSW


Probably a douchebag that think lolicons are pedophiles and child molestors.

*Read the comments. Sad are the idiots like him.
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