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Told You So
Posted 12/25/14 , edited 12/25/14
There's a new movie just out based on the true story of Louie Zamperini; the sun of Italian immigrants and a man who was an Olympic champion and later on survivor of over two years in a brutal Japanese POW camp. The movie is called Unbroken, based upon the book. (In all honesty, I think the movie-adaption will be a crock of shit...But then, the book is almost always better).

Meanwhile in Japan, there is already an 8,000 strong petition to ban the movie and the director (Angelina Jolie) from Japan in their entirety. The beautiful, constantly in denial Nationalists claim the movie and story is a "lie" and "propaganda" harharhar.

This is amusing, considering the author took great pains to interview Louie, his family, POW's from ALL over (America, Canada, Britian, Europe in general, Australia...etc.etc) who were there too, and the best - actual former Japanese soldiers who admitted to what happened in the place.

Still, the Nationalists deny! Yay!

So anyways, now there is a counter petition from Indonesian people who want the movie to be shown across Asia and more people are getting into this.

What do you feel about all this?

Personally, I feel the movie should be shown. People can choose if they want to see it or not - but the movie should be shown just as movies about Japan's suffering or Japan during the war are shown outside of Japan with almost always no complains. (Grave of the Fireflies anyone? The Wind Rises?)

Lordy lordy, just imagine if this sheeeeeet happened in Germany. "Yes, we do not want a movie about the Holocaust shown in Germany since it is untrue lolz okay!"

Japanese Nationalists and others, get over yourself please. Over 10 million Japan, okay? Don't forget now.
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Posted 12/26/14
I for one want to see the movie. It looks interesting
Posted 12/26/14
the way you presented your viewpoint is really biased, though. I feel like it's presented based on emotions rather than constructive criticism.

what are these "other countries" you're talking of? do these "other countries" not have censorships of their own?

you can't compare "grave of the fireflies" with "unbroken"; different representations etc.

and did the Japanese boycott the film "Pearl Harbor" too?


Posted 12/26/14
maybe someone will get assassinated lol
Posted 12/26/14
War is war. People get kidnapped. Big deal.



The US are war criminals too.
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Posted 12/26/14
Japanese nationalists are known to deny practically everything that happened during world war 2.
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Posted 12/26/14
doesnt really bother me. japan denies what it did. yay.
us doesnt talk about harboring nazi war criminals, or us concentration camps.
france lets off french national nazi off the hook while hunting down german nazi.

nations are all the same. all are evil to some extent. its called, 'human nature'.
Posted 12/26/14
Going to see that movie.
Posted 12/26/14 , edited 12/26/14

SoldierSangria wrote:

How is it biased? .............. What's your point?


The only objective information you've given us is the 8000signature petition from the Japanese nationalists. Everything else seems to be affected by your emotions and your biased feelings towards Japanese censorship.

For instance, the comparison of "Grave of the fireflies" to "Unbroken". You can't compare these two movies since they don't have the same premise. "Grave of the fireflies" is more comparable to "Pearl Harbour". That's bias #1.

Bias #2, you mention "other countries" don't have the same censorship as Japanese Nationalists; what exactly are these "other countries"? You don't mention the specific country because you know that if you do, people will be able to rebut and list all the censorships those "other countries" also have.

Bias #3,

This is amusing, considering the author took great pains to interview Louie, his family, POW's from ALL over (America, Canada, Britian, Europe in general, Australia...etc.etc) who were there too, and the best - actual former Japanese soldiers who admitted to what happened in the place.


This isn't factual information; yet the way you presented it make it sound like it's factual. This is called second hand evidence, not first hand evidence. Recounts have a high possibility of being exaggerated.

And I don't care if the americans on CR want to skin me alive for doubting one of their American heroes; a recount is a recount, you can't present it as 100% FACT.



If I had stuck to more constructive criticism, that would still channel my dislike of this nonsense but in more "professional way" - that too on a simple online forum.


You don't have to be a "professional" writer to present an unbiased information. The way you've written is professional already, it has little to no grammatical errors, it's just biased information.

Even professional writers have bias.

But if you choose to present biased information/viewpoints, whether consciously or subconsciously, then I have the right to point them out as this is a public forum/discussion.




Posted 12/26/14

SoldierSangria wrote:
1) My quick summary of Zamperini, the petition in Japan, the counter petition from that Indo-group, my post about the author, the people involved who have stated the same thing can all be proven through various sources, especially one that I have listed farther below.

You're choosing not to believe these things for whatever weird reason - so be it.

2) That is factual information. The author proved it with the taped interviews, and the record interviews. Besides the author, numerous people upon being interviews have said similar things about the conditions/guards/etc. People of different and highly varied nationalities from all over the world have all spoken of these things. The main person who inflicted misery upon all these people "The Bird, Watanabe" was interviewed years later on TV in a recorded program. Even though he was unrepentant, he admitted that he had beaten and tortured the prisoners though he claimed he was only following orders. It seems pretty idiotic to come on TV and say these things if they were not true.

You going to pretend that interview is anti-factual now? Or would you rather be biased about something else this time around?

You are interpreting it as being anti-factual because you just don't want to believe it for whatever reason. You keep going on an on about facts even when I've told you how these interviews were conducted (and besides that, there is plenty of proof for all these things in general)...If anyone is now being biased here, it is you.

If you don't care what people on CR or Americans think of your post then stop replying to mine. Keep on choosing to believe only what you want to.

3) You go on again about my biased view - which, oddly enough I've given you several examples (the main one with Watanabe being interview on TV) as proof that this DID happen, yet you still refuse to listen for whatever reasons.

I've said time and time again - yes, my personal feelings on Japan doing this sort of thing (yet wanting people to know their side) annoys me, yet I like the country generally far better than I like others. A main thing I dislike and always will is the denial of a major even across Asia. But the story and the events that I've posted are all true. My feelings on the story - regardless of whether I was for or against it - will not change the fact that this happened.

Personal emotions on the events will not change the facts of a story which can be proven through various sources.


Your reply to me no longer makes sense; you put words in my mouth that I never said. Who said I didn't believe Zamperini's interview? I said it isn't 100% fact as it is second hand evidence, do you know what a second hand evidence is? I just said I've found your information presentation to be incredibly biased, you asked why, I gave you the reasons why. Whether you agree with that or not is another matter. But don't put words in my mouth.

You also called people who disagree with your viewpoint a "weeaboo", that should be telling enough.

I have no desire to further this narrow-minded conversation. At least I've never personally attack anyone for presenting their point of views.
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Posted 12/26/14
Whatever. Nationalists. Whatcha gonna do?
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Posted 12/26/14
Only historians can depict whether the acts done by every man was evil or out of desperation.

No sane person will ever acknowledge their mortal sins, you only live long enough to find out if you've done wrong.
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Posted 12/26/14


that gif made me laugh. who is that?
Posted 12/27/14

GayAsianBoy wrote:

Your reply to me no longer makes sense; you put words in my mouth that I never said. Who said I didn't believe Zamperini's interview? I said it isn't 100% fact as it is second hand evidence, do you know what a second hand evidence is? I just said I've found your information presentation to be incredibly biased, you asked why, I gave you the reasons why. Whether you agree with that or not is another matter. But don't put words in my mouth.

You also called people who disagree with your viewpoint a "weeaboo", that should be telling enough.

I have no desire to further this narrow-minded conversation. At least I've never personally attack anyone for presenting their point of views.


I never said it was people who disagree with my viewpoint who are "weebos". My comment was:

Amazing, how people are STILL trying to defend Japan (or rather, the Nationalists) in this. Any other country did something like this and they'd be on them like flies on food. I'm not surprised considering the website and the sheer amount of weebos on here.

Obviously what I implied with my comment was that weebos will rush to the defense of (or simply excuse) a country they worship no matter what, even over facts or even over their own country. This has happened time and time again on this website, and it is a massive double standard. Even when presented with things that can be proven, these weebos will still rush to the defense of a country they don't even live in or have ever been to. I mean...Really?

Considering you came into this discussion and thread with a biased viewpoint even when presented with facts speaks volumes, yet you call me narrow minded when I laid out the (proven) facts while telling how I felt about the situation instead of sitting on the fence and taking a neutral stand. Why should I hide what I think? Then have the audacity to tell me you don't want to carry on this narrow minded conversation when you yourself came here with a narrow mind and refused to believe the post even when I told you it could be proven.

Yet I'm "narrow minded".

Alrighty then.
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Posted 12/27/14
The big problem you pointed out seems to be the nationalist in Japan, having way too much political power. I've never been to japan and don't know as much about censorship there. I do have to ask though, is this censorship something that the Japanese people are adamant about or is it something that Japanese nationalist force to be an issue? I only ask, because the more I hear about the nationalist, the more they remind me of hardline conservative groups in America, the type of groups that get Latin American studies banned from school, because americans should only learn about America. When you hear that in other countries it gives a false impression of Americans. I ask this because like I said, I don't know enough about how the general Japenese public feels on the subject to know if the move to censor, is something that they are doing as a culture, or the actions of one political faction. If you think about it, the people who benefit the most from this censorship are the nationalist, WWII happened too long ago for most Japanese to have any relation to it, but the nationalist position would be gravely damaged if the Japanese people saw what nationalism led to in the past and became wary of any political group with an overly nationalistic platform. It is a very basic political strategy to keep your voters ignorant in order to control them, by censoring anything that would make the Japanese people question the validity of the nationalist point of view, the nationalist are keeping the Japanese public ignorant thereby insuring that they have a voice in politics. That is my conspiratorial rant, it's not to excuse the Japanese people and it is biased by my own distrust of politicians and their motives and as I said, it could be complete wrong because of my ignorance on the subject.
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