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Posted 12/31/14
It appears that the only form of government allowed on Earth is a Democracy. If a nation has a socialist or communist government America sees to it that that nation is shut off from the world until it adopts the form of government that America approves of.

Is this right? Is this fair?

Does a nation have the right to be Socialist or Communist?

Should America stop punishing Socialist and Communist countries?

What do you think?
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I think people should stop making poorly veiled plugs at America. If you want to discuss what form of government is most ethical that's one topic but seriously, stop trying to drag a whole country down on your political biases.
Posted 12/31/14
I think every country deserves to have the type of government that works best for the people of that country no matter what it ends up being. If the people of other countries dislike the way their government works let them be the ones to change it.
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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

I think every country deserves to have the type of government that works best for the people of that country no matter what it ends up being. If the people of other countries dislike the way their government works let them be the ones to change it.


I think you're underestimating the capabilities of a government. North Korea is a drastic example but there it is, a huge portion of the population convinced that their way of life is guided by the ultimate leader and they have it better than any other nation while the truth couldn't be further from the mark. It's not nearly as simple as you make it sound.
Posted 12/31/14

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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

I think every country deserves to have the type of government that works best for the people of that country no matter what it ends up being. If the people of other countries dislike the way their government works let them be the ones to change it.


I think you're underestimating the capabilities of a government. North Korea is a drastic example but there it is, a huge portion of the population convinced that their way of life is guided by the ultimate leader and they have it better than any other nation while the truth couldn't be further from the mark. It's not nearly as simple as you make it sound.


The fact is those people still need to figure things out on their own. It is not our job, or the job of any other country, to constantly try to save everyone from themselves. North Korea is an extremely weak country that relies on threats to get money from other countries. If it actually had to go to war with someone else and got its supply of money taken away it would crumble easily.
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Punk_Mela wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

I think every country deserves to have the type of government that works best for the people of that country no matter what it ends up being. If the people of other countries dislike the way their government works let them be the ones to change it.


I think you're underestimating the capabilities of a government. North Korea is a drastic example but there it is, a huge portion of the population convinced that their way of life is guided by the ultimate leader and they have it better than any other nation while the truth couldn't be further from the mark. It's not nearly as simple as you make it sound.


The fact is those people still need to figure things out on their own. It is not our job, or the job of any other country, to constantly try to save everyone from themselves. North Korea is an extremely weak country that relies on threats to get money from other countries. If it actually had to go to war with someone else and got its supply of money taken away it would crumble easily.


You're still looking at it far too simply. North Korea has allies, if it were a matter of someone rushing into war with them they would have fallen ages ago. Meanwhile while you stand around saying "It's not our job" millions of people die. I'm not saying it is right to go in with force but I think to some extent those with the ability to deter this kind of thing have some obligation to do just that.

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yes but it should be decided by the people rather than a select few. There are countries where a communist party has been democratically elected and it runs the country.

Also, Scotland is a Socialist country and I don't see America punishing it.
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No country should be a communist country. Communism doesn't work. No communist country has ever succeeded, not even for a little while. We should not have communist ruled countries for the sake of so many others.


As for socialism and how a lot of Americans feel about it...a lot of Americans get so upset about some socialist elements coming into America, but it is things that you'd see in countries like Canada, Norway, and Sweden. But the way some Americans are about anything socialism...they act like adding some socialist elements to America will absolutely destroy the country (as in, they are overreacting).
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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:


Punk_Mela wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

I think every country deserves to have the type of government that works best for the people of that country no matter what it ends up being. If the people of other countries dislike the way their government works let them be the ones to change it.


I think you're underestimating the capabilities of a government. North Korea is a drastic example but there it is, a huge portion of the population convinced that their way of life is guided by the ultimate leader and they have it better than any other nation while the truth couldn't be further from the mark. It's not nearly as simple as you make it sound.


The fact is those people still need to figure things out on their own. It is not our job, or the job of any other country, to constantly try to save everyone from themselves. North Korea is an extremely weak country that relies on threats to get money from other countries. If it actually had to go to war with someone else and got its supply of money taken away it would crumble easily.


You're still looking at it far too simply. North Korea has allies, if it were a matter of someone rushing into war with them they would have fallen ages ago. Meanwhile while you stand around saying "It's not our job" millions of people die. I'm not saying it is right to go in with force but I think to some extent those with the ability to deter this kind of thing have some obligation to do just that.



It doesn't have many allies that can actually help it or who want to help it. Even China isn't rushing to help any of its fellow communist countries because they have absolutely nothing to gain by helping anyone. They have already found they can go a lot further economically than they can getting into conflicts on other countries behalf. Russia is in no position to help them either with their failing economy. Yes, people die. People will always die. North Korea, to continue the example, can't even just become a democracy with our help. They aren't ready for it and if we go in and try and push it on them there will be serious problems that come from it that will lead to more people dying. We don't have an obligation to save other countries when our own country is failing as miserably as it is. It's time for us to stop playing world police and actually focus on this country and fixing its problems.
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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

I think every country deserves to have the type of government that works best for the people of that country no matter what it ends up being. If the people of other countries dislike the way their government works let them be the ones to change it.


I think you're underestimating the capabilities of a government. North Korea is a drastic example but there it is, a huge portion of the population convinced that their way of life is guided by the ultimate leader and they have it better than any other nation while the truth couldn't be further from the mark. It's not nearly as simple as you make it sound.


Would just like to point out that the nation you described is spot-on America from any angle you can possibly view it...


And if you disagree,, I believe it was more or less exactly 2 years ago Obama signed the NDAA.
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Ever hear of the Tyranny of the majority?
Example Englad !Lets hail the Queen
Former USSR the majority chose the Communism
US > federalism
There always a solution for shutting down systems By the facto or The Iure
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I think the main reason why North Korea hasn't been dismantled and rebuilt is because both South Korea and China don't want it. For China, millions of people by the Chinese border will cross over into China, and then China will have millions of refugees, and then China will have to deal with them (and if they handle it poorly, it will be a human rights issue and China will face backlash). For South Korea, reunification will hurt South Korea economically, and it will hurt them economically very badly. There will be a bunch of unskilled and undereducated people trying to integrate into society and the workforce.
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I'm not really sure where you're getting your facts from, China is definitely an ally of North Korea. And I think it's a little naive to think America plays world police for the sake of others, as someone who served I can tell you first hand America undoubtedly has the worlds strongest military and they use it in these conflicts for their own agenda. Historically conflict has always been a good boost for an economy and that is exactly the purpose of it now. On a final note don't feel it's a little trendy to talk about our failing country as well? America is and has been a world leader for some time and in comparison to some other named super powers (much less any other country around the world) we're doing pretty damn good. Despite what teenagers on the internet would have you believe.

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I think the main reason why North Korea hasn't been dismantled and rebuilt is because both South Korea and China don't want it. For China, millions of people by the Chinese border will cross over into China, and then China will have millions of refugees, and then China will have to deal with them (and if they handle it poorly, it will be a human rights issue and China will face backlash). For South Korea, reunification will hurt South Korea economically, and it will hurt them economically very badly. There will be a bunch of unskilled and undereducated people trying to integrate into society and the workforce.


This I could definitely see.
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Dubnoman wrote:

I think the main reason why North Korea hasn't been dismantled and rebuilt is because both South Korea and China don't want it. For China, millions of people by the Chinese border will cross over into China, and then China will have millions of refugees, and then China will have to deal with them (and if they handle it poorly, it will be a human rights issue and China will face backlash). For South Korea, reunification will hurt South Korea economically, and it will hurt them economically very badly. There will be a bunch of unskilled and undereducated people trying to integrate into society and the workforce.


This I could definitely see.



Yeah, that is something my friend explained to me once. He was dating a woman who is Korean-American (South Korea), and he learned of it from her. I think that is one of the main reasons why North Korea still stands as it does now. On top of that, there would be bloodshed and war to bring down the regime (even though it shouldn't be hard to win that war, it'd still be a war).
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