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Nah, it depends on the people and how people like how it works. But most people want freedom.
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Let's go over some important terminology before we begin:



Now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's begin. The United States is perfectly within its rights to seek to impact international politics, as is any other country. Indeed, the United Nations could not function properly if countries did not seek to impact international law, and international law would serve no useful function if it did not influence the politics or economies of countries which have agreed to be beholden to them. To that end it is simultaneously the right of countries to decide that they wish to pursue the course of Marxism-Leninism (which is what you seem to really want to talk about) and the right of the US to seek to dissuade these countries from doing so if it so desires (and I would agree wholeheartedly that it ought to considering the disastrous results of Marxism-Leninism in every single society it has ever been implemented in).

One can ramble on as much as they please about how much Stalin advanced the USSR's industrial production capacity, but while they're doing so they'll be looking for ways to conveniently hide the tens of millions of corpses from Stalin's gulags, exile of people into Nazi hands with the intent of killing them, distribution policies specifically aimed at starving out whole populations, and so on. That sort of thing needs to be opposed, and I'm quite content that the US decided to do so. I would, however, be even happier if the general population became less influenced by Cold War era propaganda and began to recognize the parts of the spectrum of left-wing politics which are characteristically distinct from Marxism-Leninism. It'd be nice if the term "socialism" weren't a swear word and politicians couldn't get away with screaming bloody murder about how social democrats are trying to bring about the transformation of the US into the Soviet Union/Nazi Germany/Insert Scary Bogeyman Here. I'm a social democrat, not a Marxist-Leninist. Fuck. Marxism-Leninism. Hard. We all agree.
Posted 1/3/15
If the people choose it, time to emigrate to foreign lands, because then your rights will go bye-bye and belong to uncle sam...
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The westphalian model, adopted after the 30 years war convinced europe that waging war over what another nation believed was stupid, says that a nation can adopt whatever gods, national policies or politics it wants. Nothing in that model says the other nations MUST trade with or "Be Nice" to the adopting nation, just that they not make war.
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No country should be a communist country. Communism doesn't work. No communist country has ever succeeded, not even for a little while. We should not have communist ruled countries for the sake of so many others.


As for socialism and how a lot of Americans feel about it...a lot of Americans get so upset about some socialist elements coming into America, but it is things that you'd see in countries like Canada, Norway, and Sweden. But the way some Americans are about anything socialism...they act like adding some socialist elements to America will absolutely destroy the country (as in, they are overreacting).


No country has actually become communist. The supposed "communist" countries have all been in actuality, dictatorships.

IDK. I think we're quickly approaching an era where westernization and technology is homogenizing the world's cultures, and the few holdouts that there are are resorting to fundamentalism and other depraved means to keep the western influences out. (and I'm not a fan of this new imperialism of international corporations and free market capitalism. I just can see the writing on the wall as to what's developing). I think sooner, rather than later, we're going to need a larger, more powerful world governing body that will be needed to protect the rights of individual nations, as well as ensure that their treatment of their citizens is fair. Especially on issues such as slave labor, environmental issues, fair pay, health care and general well being, etc.

I like the idea of a large centralized body, that in turn gives more power to nations, and in each nation, more power and management goes to the states, and from there, municipalities.

Unfortunately, I think it would be prone to the same corruption and weaknesses the US government faces, and that the system itself is unwieldly as what is good for the US, is not necessary good for Iran. (conversely, in the US, what's good for the southern states in terms of say, minimum wage, isn't necessarily good for, say the northeastern states, where cost of living is WAY higher).

The other thing about it is that it would encourage only a singular mode of thought, rather than allowing many nations to try and take a swing at various forms of government to see what truly does work the best.

Everything's kind of got its tradeoffs.
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America isn't punishing countries for being Socialist or Communist. They are punishing countries for not joining and/or working against America's hegemony. All governments do this. America is just the easiest to denounce because they have the largest hegemony, and therefore the largest influence.
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Democracy is a funny system really. It's easily manipulated (Virtual Dictatorship), gives the illusion of fairness for all, the people are easily lead by their emotions more than their brains and numerous other issues. With all that said, it has proven to be fairly effective up to this point from what was before, but I think we may well be on the precipice of a new form of government as technology keeps improving and making many people free of the burden of labour, whether they like it or not.
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Rights are given

I don't know who is giving whom rights in this question
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nanikore2 wrote:

Rights are given

I don't know who is giving whom rights in this question



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Nations don't have "rights"; people do.

There have never been any communist countries ever. There have only been dictatorships that call themselves communists.

There have been some small communities where the participants have tried to live according to certain ideals espoused by communism. Maybe one of the better examples of such a community is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koinonia_Partners.


Based on their interpretation of the New Testament, Koinonia members committed to the following precepts:

Treat all human beings with dignity and justice
Choose love over violence
Share all possessions and live simply
Be stewards of the land and its natural resources
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it possible it can
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Dat necro doh. Also, of fucking course. This is a choice that the population of that country should make for themselves.
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It depends on the people, I guess. I hate the idea of communism, though. Overtime it just destroys the economy.
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No China is communist and the united states could care less. Communism has a bad track record. Communism is against the the principles that America stands for most primarily right to private property and independance. Of course if you live in the west your going to hear criticism of other political and societal systems through an American lens, but other countries could give a fuck what America thinks of how they operate........ Until we invade your country fuck shit up and install democracy like windows on a mac..... lol
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brookline wrote:

It appears that the only form of government allowed on Earth is a Democracy. If a nation has a socialist or communist government America sees to it that that nation is shut off from the world until it adopts the form of government that America approves of.

Is this right? Is this fair?

Does a nation have the right to be Socialist or Communist?

Should America stop punishing Socialist and Communist countries?

What do you think?


(Forgive me! For I have practiced Necromancy!!!!)

If a people so choose, they may set up any sort of government that they wish. They just have to be ready to have lots of enemies if they are not conforming to the prevailing ideologies of the current World Order, LOTS OF ENEMIES (the globalists in this case, not just America). That's all.
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