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I mean I have no problem with another country adopting democratic socialism. If people of a given nation-state vote for such a system of government that is their choice and we should mind our own business. However, most of these socialist or communist states either do not have the will or the people , or the vote counting is so rigged that there is no consent from the governed as a whole.



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Most communist systems go bankrupt eventually anyway. Heck the only reason why North Korea is still kicking is that China allows them to as to be a buffer state between them and the South Koreans.

A better example is Vietnam, the commies won the war and yet they are making plenty of capitalist reforms lately and finally experiencing some real economic growth. I don't see a reason that a nation in a faraway land adopting such a system as a reason we need to lose millions of American lives trying to prevent it. You'd think from the USSR's collapse that people would have learned that communism is unsustainable/doomed for failure, but I guess some people never learn.
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No country should be a communist country. Communism doesn't work. No communist country has ever succeeded, not even for a little while. We should not have communist ruled countries for the sake of so many others.


As for socialism and how a lot of Americans feel about it...a lot of Americans get so upset about some socialist elements coming into America, but it is things that you'd see in countries like Canada, Norway, and Sweden. But the way some Americans are about anything socialism...they act like adding some socialist elements to America will absolutely destroy the country (as in, they are overreacting).


LOL only factor is wrong about what you said really.. NO communist country has ever truly existed. Most country people mistake as communist countries are dictatorships. Their really not communist countries. Communism has yet to be tried but on paper it works, but one must not have a dictatorship or or group leading it. This is what becomes its downfall. By removing the leader role and making the people them selves responsible of the country it has a better chance to work.
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Socialism , ironically, is a ploy to expand government control over the nation.When it refers to "the people" controlling the means of production, distribution, and exchange as a "community." That community of people is the government. Those who run the government are elected based on popular interests being voted into office. The more government expands, the more control it has over the economy; and the less freedom people have to choose the best service or product they desire with their money. You only get what the government chooses to provide. Suddenly the government starts bailing out certain companies with government funds and allows others to fail (it's opposition). Suddenly it's no longer efficient to provide more than one kind of bread, meat, leafy green, etc. Suddenly we are forced to buy services and products we don't like or want. Whereas in a competitive economy they don't control the economy, they provide a service or product. Which means if that service or product is no good, people don't buy it. People vote with their dollars in this way. Businesses rise and fall based on the people's choices. This does not occur when the government is in control of the economy. In fact, much of the peoples needs go unmet. How great is government service? Look at the DMV and other government services they provide as examples of how they will do if they control the entire economy. Don't believe the media, they report news and support issues which get them the major tax breaks and government funds they desire.
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Of course they have the right to, but it won't do very well.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:

No country should be a communist country. Communism doesn't work. No communist country has ever succeeded, not even for a little while. We should not have communist ruled countries for the sake of so many others.


As for socialism and how a lot of Americans feel about it...a lot of Americans get so upset about some socialist elements coming into America, but it is things that you'd see in countries like Canada, Norway, and Sweden. But the way some Americans are about anything socialism...they act like adding some socialist elements to America will absolutely destroy the country (as in, they are overreacting).


LOL only factor is wrong about what you said really.. NO communist country has ever truly existed. Most country people mistake as communist countries are dictatorships. Their really not communist countries. Communism has yet to be tried but on paper it works, but one must not have a dictatorship or or group leading it. This is what becomes its downfall. By removing the leader role and making the people them selves responsible of the country it has a better chance to work.


And this is why it will NEVER work. The people, will always gravitate towards a leader, and follow him/her. There will always be those that want to be the leader, and do whatever it takes to be the one in charge.
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It appears that the only form of government allowed on Earth is a Democracy. If a nation has a socialist or communist government America sees to it that that nation is shut off from the world until it adopts the form of government that America approves of.

Is this right? Is this fair?

Does a nation have the right to be Socialist or Communist?

Should America stop punishing Socialist and Communist countries?

What do you think?


Th real problem is that when the people have no say in the government, it is not a democracy, and when the people have no say in the government, the people also lose other rights and many other things fail.

In theory, socialism and communism are amazing. Fuck, if I KNEW that I could live in a completely controlled government/economy that would always treat me and my descendants right, I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately, the human element eventually always fucks it up. It isn't even necessarily because people are always assholes. I mean, IF I told you right now that a democracy's policies were screwing up the production and trade of bismuth, most people wouldn't even know what bismuth is, unless they worked with it. In a democracy, they have the ability to express their needs persist until they are heard. In a communism, they can probably voice their needs to a degree, but they probably aren't allowed to make too much fuss. And that's the problem.

So, knowing that, the best bet is having as many people able to voice their desires and needs as possible.

EDIT: Technically, Communism is a type of economic and governmental practice and democracy simply a type of government, but communism is centered around a government controlled economy. SO, theoretically, you could have a government controlled economy with the economy controlled by the government. So, basically a democratic communism. I do not think that's been done.

EDIT 2: Also, Capitalism expects the economy to naturally correct itself. For the most part it does. However, it is acknowledged that this doesn't always happen. Even the US is not entirely capitalist.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:

No country should be a communist country. Communism doesn't work. No communist country has ever succeeded, not even for a little while. We should not have communist ruled countries for the sake of so many others.


As for socialism and how a lot of Americans feel about it...a lot of Americans get so upset about some socialist elements coming into America, but it is things that you'd see in countries like Canada, Norway, and Sweden. But the way some Americans are about anything socialism...they act like adding some socialist elements to America will absolutely destroy the country (as in, they are overreacting).


LOL only factor is wrong about what you said really.. NO communist country has ever truly existed. Most country people mistake as communist countries are dictatorships. Their really not communist countries. Communism has yet to be tried but on paper it works, but one must not have a dictatorship or or group leading it. This is what becomes its downfall. By removing the leader role and making the people them selves responsible of the country it has a better chance to work.


And this is why it will NEVER work. The people, will always gravitate towards a leader, and follow him/her. There will always be those that want to be the leader, and do whatever it takes to be the one in charge.


that is not true that's a learned behavior. Be a follower or being part of the cog that work as a team with everyone else is learned behavers.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:that is not true that's a learned behavior. Be a follower or being part of the cog that work as a team with everyone else is learned behavers.



Both true and false.

True that you may have to learn to be part of that team or learn to be a leader, but false that we are not naturally this way.

Wolves have no concept of government, yet follow a leader and have social structure.

Can we as men go beyond this? Yes. Yes we can.

But denying that these things are part of nature helps no one.
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