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Why Do People Think Genetic Engineering A Better Child is Wrong?
Posted 1/1/15 , edited 1/1/15

Bulshock wrote:

Severticas, so your against it I'm guessing? Even if, through genetic engineering, we could eliminate those diseases? The bit in India is something that is already happening, through abortions and technology already in place, it's a social issue in that country and China. And it will bite them in the ass in a generation or two. 'Why can't my son find a wife?' 'Why don't I have any grandchildren?' sort of things. Yes, it's horrible, yes it's something that needs to change. But in and of itself has nothing to do with genetic engineering. There is also work being done on trying to make sure that companies can't use genetic information against you in not getting a job.


It has been biting them in the ass lol. It's part of it but yes, you are correct to say that it is about more than just choosing gender and i had made that clear. You can't eliminate half of them (diseases) and that's the point. What's the use of stressing out some person just because they might have MS and what not?

Posted 1/1/15

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severticas wrote:

Oh did you know that in India, they'd choose not to have girls?

That is just one example of many.

http://www.economist.com/node/15606229

Title: The war on baby girls: Gendercide

I think you can use your brain to figure out what the effects are etc...

If you mean genetic testing... half of diseases cannot be cured. You get testing and they find out you can pass on something to your child that's unpreventable, what then?
E.g. Huntington disease.
Do you know even your employers can use that against you? Confidentiality?? Forget it.
Curiosity kills cats.


I don't really understand what the problem is with preferring a boy over a girl, is that so evil? I mean, sure, there are problems in the long run, but individually if a person wants to have a son I don't see why not. It seems like you are saying that humanity is too stupid to play God, which may be true. Perhaps things are better left to chance.



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You're a troll. But i'm a better troll so piss off. You don't shock people with your silly threads. Follow the bloody link or whatever.
Posted 1/1/15 , edited 1/1/15

severticas wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


severticas wrote:

Oh did you know that in India, they'd choose not to have girls?

That is just one example of many.

http://www.economist.com/node/15606229

Title: The war on baby girls: Gendercide

I think you can use your brain to figure out what the effects are etc...

If you mean genetic testing... half of diseases cannot be cured. You get testing and they find out you can pass on something to your child that's unpreventable, what then?
E.g. Huntington disease.
Do you know even your employers can use that against you? Confidentiality?? Forget it.
Curiosity kills cats.


I don't really understand what the problem is with preferring a boy over a girl, is that so evil? I mean, sure, there are problems in the long run, but individually if a person wants to have a son I don't see why not. It seems like you are saying that humanity is too stupid to play God, which may be true. Perhaps things are better left to chance.



Dude

You're a troll. But i'm a better troll so piss off. You don't shock people with your silly threads. Follow the bloody link or whatever.


I was pretending to be a Randroid earlier, but I am pass that. I honestly don't see a problem with preferring a boy over a girl. I myself prefer a daughter over a son, as do my two sisters. Now is that so bad? I see the problem with it when it affects a majority of a population, but I'm not going to go out any say it is wrong to prefer a son over a daughter, mainly because a lot of people feel that way and I see nothing wrong with it.


P.S. You seem mad at me. Was it my "fuck the poor" mentality awhile back? Sorry, I just fantasize about being a social darwinist, a robber baron plummeting the pay dues of my underclassmen to fuel my own bizarre experiments.
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Bulshock wrote:

Severticas, so your against it I'm guessing? Even if, through genetic engineering, we could eliminate those diseases? The bit in India is something that is already happening, through abortions and technology already in place, it's a social issue in that country and China. And it will bite them in the ass in a generation or two. 'Why can't my son find a wife?' 'Why don't I have any grandchildren?' sort of things. Yes, it's horrible, yes it's something that needs to change. But in and of itself has nothing to do with genetic engineering. There is also work being done on trying to make sure that companies can't use genetic information against you in not getting a job.


It has been biting them in the ass lol. It's part of it but yes, you are correct to say that it is about more than just choosing gender and i had made that clear. You can't eliminate half of them (diseases) and that's the point. What's the use of stressing out some person just because they might have MS and what not?



That is at current levels of technology. Personally I would of preferred to know that I have psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis (both of which are genetic conditions) before it started causing me to not be able to work almost at all. Then I could of planned for it or taken steps to make sure it didn't get as bad as it has. As it is I can't actually work at my job for more then ~5 hours a day. The bit about possibly eliminating the diseases through genetic engineering is more what I'm interested in. Not current levels of approved for human use technology.
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I personally believe talents should be an attainable goal, I mean sure, of course there are natural talents but I believe we should leave it at that. Why just give a bunch of children a talent, so they can just breeze through life? I don't think that's what life is about.
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It's probably because we don't have full control of Genetic Engineering yet.
And the side effect can damage the child instead of helping them.
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I personally believe talents should be an attainable goal, I mean sure, of course there are natural talents but I believe we should leave it at that. Why just give a bunch of children a talent, so they can just breeze through life? I don't think that's what life is about.


Life isn't about anything. It just is what it is in my opinion. I could reasonably say that life is about improving the talent pool of humanity. I mean, if we could increase everyone's intelligence, would not the world be in a better place? But that's beside the point.


Posted 1/1/15 , edited 1/1/15
^^ Preference preference preference...something in between...what's to come before preference? And who's to say all would prefer this or that?

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severticas wrote:


Bulshock wrote:

Severticas, so your against it I'm guessing? Even if, through genetic engineering, we could eliminate those diseases? The bit in India is something that is already happening, through abortions and technology already in place, it's a social issue in that country and China. And it will bite them in the ass in a generation or two. 'Why can't my son find a wife?' 'Why don't I have any grandchildren?' sort of things. Yes, it's horrible, yes it's something that needs to change. But in and of itself has nothing to do with genetic engineering. There is also work being done on trying to make sure that companies can't use genetic information against you in not getting a job.


It has been biting them in the ass lol. It's part of it but yes, you are correct to say that it is about more than just choosing gender and i had made that clear. You can't eliminate half of them (diseases) and that's the point. What's the use of stressing out some person just because they might have MS and what not?



That is at current levels of technology. Personally I would of preferred to know that I have psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis (both of which are genetic conditions) before it started causing me to not be able to work almost at all. Then I could of planned for it or taken steps to make sure it didn't get as bad as it has. As it is I can't actually work at my job for more then ~5 hours a day. The bit about possibly eliminating the diseases through genetic engineering is more what I'm interested in. Not current levels of approved for human use technology.


You do have a point, it's not all bad. Level of tech: It's not going to happen in your generation or his (pheripheraldotdotdot). You're all going to die first. This is my prediction.
Posted 1/1/15

Bulshock wrote:

Depends on other areas of science if death will happen. Longevity research is progressing fairly rapidly, as is SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence, which as a byproduct of what they are trying to do will extend lifespan by a fair amount). So it is possible that it will happen when you or I are still alive, but not going to happen in time for it to be something for our children.


Gasp! Really?
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Life isn't about anything. It just is what it is in my opinion. I could reasonably say that life is about improving the talent pool of humanity. I mean, if we could increase everyone's intelligence, would not the world be in a better place? But that's beside the point.




Look at some studies. It shows humanity's intelligence is increasing across the board over time. Without us consciously doing squat.

Moral of the day - The world generally works itself out. Go have a beer or a grilled cheese. Or whatever.
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Bulshock wrote:

Depends on other areas of science if death will happen. Longevity research is progressing fairly rapidly, as is SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence, which as a byproduct of what they are trying to do will extend lifespan by a fair amount). So it is possible that it will happen when you or I are still alive, but not going to happen in time for it to be something for our children.


Gasp! Really?


I.... I sense sarcasm there....
Posted 1/1/15

severticas wrote:


Bulshock wrote:

Depends on other areas of science if death will happen. Longevity research is progressing fairly rapidly, as is SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence, which as a byproduct of what they are trying to do will extend lifespan by a fair amount). So it is possible that it will happen when you or I are still alive, but not going to happen in time for it to be something for our children.


Gasp! Really?



Using sarcasm as a reply in that scenario would probably be equivalent to trolling based on what I observed in my years on the internet. It sounds disrespectful if you ask me.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Life isn't about anything. It just is what it is in my opinion. I could reasonably say that life is about improving the talent pool of humanity. I mean, if we could increase everyone's intelligence, would not the world be in a better place? But that's beside the point.




Look at some studies. It shows humanity's intelligence is increasing across the board over time. Without us consciously doing squat.

Moral of the day - The world generally works itself out. Go have a beer or a grilled cheese. Or whatever.


I'm not so sure the world will work itself out. I think humans have too much influence for that to happen.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I'm not so sure the world will work itself out. I think humans have too much influence for that to happen.


Eat/drink enough and you won't care anymore.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


P.S. You seem mad at me. Was it my "fuck the poor" mentality awhile back? Sorry, I just fantasize about being a social darwinist, a robber baron plummeting the pay dues of my underclassmen to fuel my own bizarre experiments.


lol, i didn't notice that. If you did that then you'd just shot yourself in the foot. No way you could afford any of it.
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Gundam seed explained this really well. It's not just that the children grow up thinking they never had a choice since they were given the abilities specifically. It also shows distrust/unease between those that were born naturally and those that were engineered. I.E. those born natural can't tell if those engineered actually worked/earned their skills or if they were forced into them straight away. Thus they don't value what they have and those that don't have it immediately, don't work to earn that skill.

There's also the notion of adults making children specific to the tastes of adults. I.E. a parent wants their child to have blond hair and green eyes, when neither parent/family side has those genes. Thus the child is engineered to have those qualities. Yet if the natural genes are stronger during the pregnancy to the engineered genes, then they parents don't feel the same way to the child. Since the child doesn't match up with what the parent wanted.
Thus you have a society where children aren't right based on what adults desire like a toy rather than the actual desire for having their own child. Resulting in children being abandoned or the parents having a second child and not caring for the first since they don't meet their desired looks.

Ultimately, engineering children to specific colours, genders, traits or skills will lead to major problems. It's an attempt of playing god when it's not only flawed in that they don't have control and devalues the very essence of life itself.
Engineering can help prevent disease or bad genes, but it can lead to all sorts of atrocities with playing god with things we're still learning about.
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