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KP_Wrath wrote:

Defense probably won't be able to pull the self defense route because most schools are gun-free zones in the US. Best case scenario: you get self defense, plus felony firearm possession and unlawful discharge on the school grounds. Probably looking at involuntary manslaughter otherwise plus the aforementioned charges, would be my guess.



The sad thing is, you are probably right. The way the court system looks at these cases, it would be better to sit back and laugh while kids bite the bullet. At least then a person could present an argument as an innocent bystander.


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Well, first off you've committed a huge no-no seeing as schools are gun free zones, and you're supposed to be a law abiding owner with your concealed and all, no matter how steamed up you may be; However, it would more or less be the right thing to eliminate a threat to life if given the opportunity. As you said, worry about what books they throw at you later.

As for "wounding shots", no.... Just NO. If you're going to shoot, shoot to kill. Frivolous lawsuits come from letting a criminal live.


Dealing out sympathy while pulling the trigger only leads to trouble. Still, those non-lethal shots are generally appreciated in court. My aim is really bad though. I blame those big paper targets that taught me to aim for the center of mass instead of arms and legs.
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It's definitely morally right to kill to save people. Legally, you'd lose your CC at the very least, but you could possibly sway jury because it involves children being saved.
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I have no personal opinion really, since I don't know all the details & didn't see any footage of it. I can only base it on the environment I grew up in.

Times have changed. If a parent carried a concealed weapon to any of the schools I went to 25-15 years ago, she or he would have been given a....I forget what they're called...One of those restriction notices that says you can't be within so many feet of the property, & Social Services would have gotten involved. In the end, it's never about what's right or socially acceptable, but what's legal.

Where I grew up, having a gun on your person or in a car unless you were on hunting with proof of destination would get you publically shunned & on the radar of the local law enforcers for a year. You were expected to carry mace, or a taser if you could afford one, & the cops usually solved problems with tear gas instead of shooting up the place.

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I have no personal opinion really, since I don't know all the details & didn't see any footage of it. I can only base it on the environment I grew up in.

Times have changed. If a parent carried a concealed weapon to any of the schools I went to 25-15 years ago, she or he would have been given a....I forget what they're called...One of those restriction notices that says you can't be within so many feet of the property, & Social Services would have gotten involved. In the end, it's never about what's right or socially acceptable, but what's legal.

Where I grew up, having a gun on your person or in a car unless you were on hunting with proof of destination would get you publically shunned & on the radar of the local law enforcers for a year. You were expected to carry mace, or a taser if you could afford one, & the cops usually solved problems with tear gas instead of shooting up the place.



Where the hell do you live then?
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I would shoot him before he kills or injure more ppl and prob go in jail for atleast a year the law in Bulgria is shitty like that / cop shot someone who wanted to kill him and they put him in jail 2009 i think it was
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I think this questions ends up being, what do you value more?

If you value more "lives" or even just your own, then the outcome could be considered positive if you look at it optimistically. Since you or many others could have died.

The lawsuits/charges is not good, and from that information, it doesn't even seem that sensible -- but would you rather be dead but "law abiding" or alive but "criminal" under an arbitrary system made by people arbitrarily and ever changeable depending on the latest political topic so the politicians can sway more votes?

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Is this really hypothetical? Hmmm... it feels like it's not. Hmm


With great lawyers, things might not turn good on your way and, heck, they might even present a twist on the situation. If this don't get massive media coverage, they might just cheaply hire an opposing lawyer.

They might discredit your "act of heroism" by digging more on your dirty laundry. Such as do you have a recent criminal history, anger management issues, complaints, altercations, medications, relationships, permits, etc.

The opposing lawyers might say "this man was angry...enraged...fuming about hearing his daughter's school issue that he had to bring a gun to a gun free school. He was about to commit an abomination but he was beaten to it by another person. He had no reason to bring gun in school. The school has enough security, man power and technology, to secure the place."


The best thing on this "hypothetical" scenario is to have enough witnesses. Good witnesses, especially the ones you saved from harm, can persuade the people of the jury. But, if the opposing lawyer is really good, he or she could discredited the witnesses.


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Saving lives is always the right decision or at least it should be.
However you pointed out that you are a terrible shot and as such i don't think it would be a good idea to try and get involved the risk of missing and killing an innocent by yourself is just to great and nobody will care about your good intentions after you shot the wrong kid.
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dragontackle wrote:

Kill the shooter, but if you can catch the shooter slipping...make a non fatal shot if possible


When you shoot, you shoot to kill. Even limb shots can be fatal if it hits a vital spot.
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Part of being a gun owner is knowing the rules. I know where I live, I was taught to retreat to the farthest part of my house, announce myself and what I am capable of if they continue.

That situation was really hypothetical, yes? I can't imagine many would do that at a public school... They have security and their own protocols. I know some gun enthusiasts would say you're a hero, but what you did would be wrong, yes (legally)? I don't live in a stand your ground state, but if you heard a gun and rushed into danger that isn't standing your ground - that is charging towards a fight.
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Personally I'd save a life or die trying. Whatever I get charged with afterwards is trivial.
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Your actions would be justified if you did nothing. roaming the halls with a gun trying to subdue a shooter is not always going to be the best choice. Police responding to the situation could end up shooting the first person they see with a gun. Not saying that taking that chance isn't worth the consequences.
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Is this really hypothetical? Hmmm... it feels like it's not. Hmm


With great lawyers, things might not turn good on your way and, heck, they might even present a twist on the situation. If this don't get massive media coverage, they might just cheaply hire an opposing lawyer.

They might discredit your "act of heroism" by digging more on your dirty laundry. Such as do you have a recent criminal history, anger management issues, complaints, altercations, medications, relationships, permits, etc.

The opposing lawyers might say "this man was angry...enraged...fuming about hearing his daughter's school issue that he had to bring a gun to a gun free school. He was about to commit an abomination but he was beaten to it by another person. He had no reason to bring gun in school. The school has enough security, man power and technology, to secure the place."


The best thing on this "hypothetical" scenario is to have enough witnesses. Good witnesses, especially the ones you saved from harm, can persuade the people of the jury. But, if the opposing lawyer is really good, he or she could discredited the witnesses.


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I don't have any kids, so yes it is completely and totally hypothetical.
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You have the guns and hopefully the training for a reason. Defend those who cannot defend themselves. I would say shooting the school shooter is more than justified.
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if you have the power to make a difference you should put it to good use...
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