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The way the OP tells it this is clear cut Good Call.

There would probably be some sort of charge for bringing a gun onto school premises if that's the law in that area, however one would hope a reduced punishment would be applied due to the obvious good done in stopping a worse tragedy.

To add anything else in is simply inventing details to make a different point. We only have the text of the OP to go on, nothing else. So it stands - Good Call
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If someone is at a school and starts shooting people, you are in the right of making sure they don't shoot more people.
In my opinion, once you start blasting innocent people, you've pretty much forfeited your right to not be shot in return.
Although if you could do it non-lethally, that would obviously be very much preferred. But you shouldn't feel sorry about stopping them regardless.
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I say in my legal system law can be broken to uphold the thing that hold the most value from all > a person life. the law persecutor usually wont do anything to you and if they do the charge can be easily dismissed.
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I do agree that, by carrying a gun, I'd be partly responsible for anything bad that happened with the gun. I even agree that, by letting people have guns in the first place, we're making society responsible for anything bad that happens with them. But that is a distraction, because it is also my responsibility to prevent such situations. This can - and in my case, would - make the probability that such a thing would happen less than the probability that I get raped. This is why advocates of gun rights also advocate proper training in handling guns.

I will also point out that the "other theoretical situations in which your gun is used to kill people who are not rapists" also haven't even occurred. What we do know is that both rape and these "other theoretical situations" like my gun getting stolen or a kid accidentally killing someone with it actually do occur, but, as I said, the latter are my responsibility to prevent. I can't do anything about the former. And in fact, I shouldn't have to do anything about the former. As someone with a sense of civic duty I do in fact work to prevent bad things from happening in the first place, but in reality that work will not be complete for a very long time.

Let me now turn your contention on its head: by not letting me have a gun, society in general - and even perhaps you in particular - would be responsible if I got raped and couldn't defend myself by carrying the gun I wanted. You'd also be responsible for other theoretical situations that could have been prevented by people owning their own guns. And what you're telling me is that you'd rather let me be raped than give me the responsibility to take care of a gun. I don't subscribe to a philosophy that treats people so poorly - not even the rapist that I myself would shoot: By choosing to rape me, such a person really takes his life into his own hands, because I'm going to attack him independently of whether I have a gun. The gun is just far more likely to save me.

I'll even give you that "carrying a gun is pretty much the opposite of preventing situations where people around you could die"; it's just that people dying could in fact be a better outcome than the alternative - which is often also people dying. This is why the police carry guns - and even in the wake of all these incidents in which police unjustly kill black men, no one is seriously going to argue that the police shouldn't carry guns.

And me shooting someone trying to rape me? That's a better outcome than the possible situation in which I'm not responsible and someone takes my gun and does something bad with it. I don't want to kill anyone, but the fact is the rapist is the one who put his life at risk, not my gun.
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I should also say that you made good points, staphen. I appreciate it.
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Necro post from a thread made in January 2015, people respond over 1.5 years later starting yesterday . Surprised anyone can even find one as it gets buried so fast at times unless you randomly search for them.
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I'd pistol whip the principle before I went to kill the shooter.
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auroraloose wrote:



auroraloose wrote:

I should also say that you made good points, staphen. I appreciate it.


Thanks. You make good points as well. I'm going to throw two more cents into this discussion.

This is in regards to whether you should have to take preventative measures to avoid rape. I also agree that you shouldn't have to. However, we are talking about carrying a gun as a preventative measure so you've already resigned yourself to the reality of having to take preventative measures. So perhaps what you're really saying is that you shouldn't be forced to take other preventative measures that do not involve carrying a gun because carrying a gun would be more convenient and/or effective than any alternatives (or perhaps you think there aren't any alternatives, in which case I would need some convincing). If that's all there was to it, I could agree that it would be bad to revoke your right to own a gun, but it's actually quite a bit more complicated than me saying I would rather let you be raped than give you the responsibility to take care of a gun.

Thus, I do agree that by revoking citizens' rights to own guns, society would bear some responsibility for rape incidents in which the victim would have otherwise owned a gun and used it to protect themselves. However, by the same token, American society is currently bearing the responsibility for enabling school shootings by not revoking those rights. The reason this is a gray area is because anyone can provide individual scenarios where one choice clearly seems better than the other. So it's really more about generically attempting to quantify the value of having a gun against the value of not having one through cost-benefit analysis of a plethora of theoretical scenarios.
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Reiter01 wrote:

Necro post from a thread made in January 2015, people respond over 1.5 years later starting yesterday . Surprised anyone can even find one as it gets buried so fast at times unless you randomly search for them.


Go to the list of topics, click on a page to get the page number in your address bar, then replace the page number in the address bar with 999 or another similarly large number. That jumps you past the end of the list of pages, but you can click on valid page numbers up to the last valid page. From there you can see that the oldest posts are from January 2015, so this was probably deliberately pulled from the last couple pages.
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