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Korra also put the world in danger a lot more than Aang, just saying.
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Korra also put the world in danger a lot more than Aang, just saying.


The villains she faced put the world in danger a lot more than Aang's. Aang's primary foe treated him as nothing more than afterthought for much of the series, sending his reject son to do the job instead of handling it himself.

Korra's villains were all up in her shit, looking to ruin her and eliminate the Avatar. It was pretty much their top priority.
Step 1. Find Avatar
Step 2. Kill some people
Step 3. Kill the Avatar
Step 4. Kill more people

They didn't send lackeys to do the job. They went and did it themselves. Even Kuvira was all "I whooped her ass. Whelp, she got away. Okay build me a super weapon. When I see her again I'll just shoot her with it, and everyone else while I'm at it."

I'd say that Aang was the better person, while Korra was the better Avatar and likely the better Bender. If only she'd had a more level headed personality. Pretty much if she was who she became by the end of the series.
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h9902014 wrote:

Korra also put the world in danger a lot more than Aang, just saying.


The villains she faced put the world in danger a lot more than Aang's. Aang's primary foe treated him as nothing more than afterthought for much of the series, sending his reject son to do the job instead of handling it himself.

Korra's villains were all up in her shit, looking to ruin her and eliminate the Avatar. It was pretty much their top priority.
Step 1. Find Avatar
Step 2. Kill some people
Step 3. Kill the Avatar
Step 4. Kill more people

They didn't send lackeys to do the job. They went and did it themselves. Even Kuvira was all "I whooped her ass. Whelp, she got away. Okay build me a super weapon. When I see her again I'll just shoot her with it, and everyone else while I'm at it."

I'd say that Aang was the better person, while Korra was the better Avatar and likely the better Bender. If only she'd had a more level headed personality. Pretty much if she was who she became by the end of the series.


Hmmm.....I wouldn't say she was the better Avatar, because like I said before she caused most of the problems she faced. Aaang also had a way more powerful Avatar state than Korra ever did.

Not to mention, Aaang had a whole nation of people against him, he didn't have nearly as much help as Korra did.
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Aang.

Korra was a pain to watch.
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Aang
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Definitely Aang. Korra whines too much.
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Hmmm.....I wouldn't say she was the better Avatar, because like I said before she caused most of the problems she faced. Aaang also had a way more powerful Avatar state than Korra ever did.

Not to mention, Aaang had a whole nation of people against him, he didn't have nearly as much help as Korra did.


Come, let us reason together.

Would you mind clarifying what problems she caused which you are referring to? I legitimately forgot what they were.

I will agree that Aang's avatar state appears to be more powerful though.

But what do you believe makes a "better avatar"? I'm personally inclined to think that it's restoring balance - both within the world and between the human world and spirit world. That's sort of why I'm more inclined to peg Korra as the better Avatar. Aang's entire story revolved around restoring balance to the nations. Korra did the same thing in one arc (the Kuvira arc), but she also did quite a bit to balance the human and spirit worlds (which Aang only really dealt with once at the North Pole). Korra also brought more balance to the world by restoring the Air nation. Would you agree that Korra brought greater balance, or do you contest that notion as well?

I'm just asking out of friendly curiosity. You may not recall, but I was your ally regarding both Slaine and Ghost Banri
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Aang. He was more of an "old soul" (no pun intended) and wasn't as hotblooded as Korra.
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Brakkis wrote:


h9902014 wrote:

Korra also put the world in danger a lot more than Aang, just saying.


The villains she faced put the world in danger a lot more than Aang's. Aang's primary foe treated him as nothing more than afterthought for much of the series, sending his reject son to do the job instead of handling it himself.

Korra's villains were all up in her shit, looking to ruin her and eliminate the Avatar. It was pretty much their top priority.
Step 1. Find Avatar
Step 2. Kill some people
Step 3. Kill the Avatar
Step 4. Kill more people

They didn't send lackeys to do the job. They went and did it themselves. Even Kuvira was all "I whooped her ass. Whelp, she got away. Okay build me a super weapon. When I see her again I'll just shoot her with it, and everyone else while I'm at it."

I'd say that Aang was the better person, while Korra was the better Avatar and likely the better Bender. If only she'd had a more level headed personality. Pretty much if she was who she became by the end of the series.


Hmmm.....I wouldn't say she was the better Avatar, because like I said before she caused most of the problems she faced. Aaang also had a way more powerful Avatar state than Korra ever did.

Not to mention, Aaang had a whole nation of people against him, he didn't have nearly as much help as Korra did.


Aang having a more powerful Avatar state is a mere matter of opinion lacking any factual evidence. Both of them attained complete control over it. There were vast differences though in when they used it and the situations they were already in. If there is anything Aang possessed more of in the Avatar state, it was knowledge. He still possessed the connection to all the past Avatars, something Korra lost. What she did have was more varied Bending capabilities, as well as a seemingly better grasp on using them in combat, which directly relates to their personalities and how they went about handling situations.

And you keep saying she caused most of the problems. She caused one of the problems. Maybe two if you stretch Zaheer.

- She had nothing to do with the formation of the Equalists or Amon. He was going to do what he did regardless of her presence. He merely used her as the face of the opposition when the opportunity prevented itself.

- She unwittingly caused the creation of the Dark Avatar. She trusted her uncle to teach her about the spirits when she learned it was part of her culture's history. Are you honestly going to blame someone for trusting family? When she learned of his duplicity she attempted to stop him and he went about blackmailing her to finish the job.

- She didn't cause Zaheer and the Red Lotus. Zaheer gained Air Bending from the portals being open, so you could stretch it to if she had closed them, or never opened them, he wouldn't have escaped. But who was to say whether closing them would have prevented the return of the Air Benders. Even being open momentarily may have had the same effect. She didn't cause the other 3 members to gain their bending abilities, nor was she the driving force behind their goals. She was merely a part of their goals. And to remind you, she was blackmailed into opening the Northern portal to save Jinora. So that blame lies on Unalaq if anyone.

- She didn't cause Kuvira. She didn't turn her into a tyrant, or give her the idea to conquer all of the Earth Kingdom, or create an energy super weapon. Or are you going to blame her being away recovering as the cause of Kuvira's actions?

As for the entire Fire Nation being after Aang, it's not like he actively fought the whole nation. It was more of a "Whelp, the Fire Nation is closing in. Time to re-locate!" *flies away*.
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Come, let us reason together.

Would you mind clarifying what problems she caused which you are referring to? I legitimately forgot what they were.

I will agree that Aang's avatar state appears to be more powerful though.

But what do you believe makes a "better avatar"? I'm personally inclined to think that it's restoring balance - both within the world and between the human world and spirit world. That's sort of why I'm more inclined to peg Korra as the better Avatar. Aang's entire story revolved around restoring balance to the nations. Korra did the same thing in one arc (the Kuvira arc), but she also did quite a bit to balance the human and spirit worlds (which Aang only really dealt with once at the North Pole). Korra also brought more balance to the world by restoring the Air nation. Would you agree that Korra brought greater balance, or do you contest that notion as well?

I'm just asking out of friendly curiosity. You may not recall, but I was your ally regarding both Slaine and Ghost Banri


Well sure no problem.

I agree, yes that the Avatar's main role is to restore balance. I'm thinking keeping the peace is also apart of that as well. Now before I start, let me say that I do like Korra and by the end of the show(despite a lackluster series finale imo) that she had pretty good development. Now in Season 2, we all remember how Korra was acting, she was being hot headed, and obnoxious. She ignored literally everyone in favor of helping her Uncle, and we all know this lead to the Vatu escaping and her losing her connection with the previous Avatar states. So her incompetence has now led to the destruction of what has been something so essential to the Avatar position(the connections to the past lives) imo. Sure, she beat Vatu, but it was her cleaning up her own mess. But she also released the sprite portals. You know, throughout the rest of the two seasons, all I never once saw any positive result(outside of the air bender nation, which I will get to in a bit) of her merging the two worlds. And maybe that's the shows fault, but her decision wasn't really a smart one imo, because I don't think the world was ready for it. Not to mention, and I stress this NOT ALL SPIRITS ARE GOOD. There are good spirits and bad spirits so that's conflict waiting to happen. Okay now on to Season 3...yes she got the Airbenders back and that was great....but she paid a huge cost for it that wasn't worth it imo. She gave Zaheer his Air Bending , and I would say that even though the Red Lotus was powerful, they would have been nowhere near the problem they were in Season 3 if the spirit portal hadn't been opened. Their fighting power drops significantly. And I would also say that the Earth Kingdom doesn't crumble because of it, which leads to Kuvira wanting world domination in Season 4. What I am saying is while Korra did bring balance and yes maybe even more than Aaang through TLAB, but the collateral damage of it all was much too great imo. I would say Aaang accomplished just as much but with little negative back lash. Which makes him the better Avatar imo.

Of course I remember you friend, I cannot forget a comrade. (although we may have to talk about Slaine another time )


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Aang having a more powerful Avatar state is a mere matter of opinion lacking any factual evidence. Both of them attained complete control over it. There were vast differences though in when they used it and the situations they were already in. If there is anything Aang possessed more of in the Avatar state, it was knowledge. He still possessed the connection to all the past Avatars, something Korra lost. What she did have was more varied Bending capabilities, as well as a seemingly better grasp on using them in combat, which directly relates to their personalities and how they went about handling situations.

And you keep saying she caused most of the problems. She caused one of the problems. Maybe two if you stretch Zaheer.

- She had nothing to do with the formation of the Equalists or Amon. He was going to do what he did regardless of her presence. He merely used her as the face of the opposition when the opportunity prevented itself.

- She unwittingly caused the creation of the Dark Avatar. She trusted her uncle to teach her about the spirits when she learned it was part of her culture's history. Are you honestly going to blame someone for trusting family? When she learned of his duplicity she attempted to stop him and he went about blackmailing her to finish the job.

- She didn't cause Zaheer and the Red Lotus. Zaheer gained Air Bending from the portals being open, so you could stretch it to if she had closed them, or never opened them, he wouldn't have escaped. But who was to say whether closing them would have prevented the return of the Air Benders. Even being open momentarily may have had the same effect. She didn't cause the other 3 members to gain their bending abilities, nor was she the driving force behind their goals. She was merely a part of their goals. And to remind you, she was blackmailed into opening the Northern portal to save Jinora. So that blame lies on Unalaq if anyone.

- She didn't cause Kuvira. She didn't turn her into a tyrant, or give her the idea to conquer all of the Earth Kingdom, or create an energy super weapon. Or are you going to blame her being away recovering as the cause of Kuvira's actions?

As for the entire Fire Nation being after Aang, it's not like he actively fought the whole nation. It was more of a "Whelp, the Fire Nation is closing in. Time to re-locate!" *flies away*.


Hmm.. I mean since neither of us has any factual info, then the eye test is the only thing we have, and man....it looks like there is a huge disparity in power between their Avatar states. In a straight up fight without the avatar state, you might have a case, but in Avatar State, I say Aaang wins.

Imo all 3 conflicts of Season 2,3, and 4 were caused by her.

Yea Season 1, she did nicely.

-See....it was her incompetence, she was acting childish and that whole Season she would not listen to anyone, not even her own parents, she also abandoned Tenzin. She learned all too late, and her behavior cost her. I mean that's just the way I looked at this situation.

-Yea, she left opened the portals(which was a bad decision imo). She caused him to have Air Bending. Sure she got the Air benders back and that was great...but it cost her ALOT. And hey, if she is going to get credit for restoring the Air benders, then she is going to get blame for giving Zaheer his bending. Yea, that's true, you're right about the Red Loutus, but their fighting force would have been significantly reduced had Zaheer not had any bending. I don't think the conflict would have gotten nearly as disastrous, I certainly don't think the Earth Nation would have been thrown into chaos. Oh no, you're right, Unalaq is the bad guy, of course it's his fault, but it doesn't change the fact that Korra's thick headedness was big part in helping Unalaq with his goals, had she been wiser about the whole thing, it wouldn't have gone that far.

-If Zaheer doesn't have his Bending, then he doesn't nearly get as far as he does, and certainly not far enough to kill the Earth Queen. So had that not happened, Kuvira's betrayal and world domination doesn't happen. No I don't blame her for recovering those 3 years.

Well, I mean, Aaang did fight in a lot of large scale battles, so I cant say it's just that.

Look, I'm not trying to hate on Korra, and I apologize if I was being rude in our discussion. I just want to have a friendly discussion I acknowledge that Korra did indeed accomplish a lot as the Avatar. But a lot of it was her dealing with the problems she caused and there was a lot of negative backlash to her decision making. I just believe Aang was the better Avatar because he had positive results while having significantly less negative back lash.
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For the mental stability, I would pick Aang because he think rationally compared to Korra.
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Well sure no problem.

I agree, yes that the Avatar's main role is to restore balance. I'm thinking keeping the peace is also apart of that as well. Now before I start, let me say that I do like Korra and by the end of the show(despite a lackluster series finale imo) that she had pretty good development. Now in Season 2, we all remember how Korra was acting, she was being hot headed, and obnoxious. She ignored literally everyone in favor of helping her Uncle, and we all know this lead to the Vatu escaping and her losing her connection with the previous Avatar states. So her incompetence has now led to the destruction of what has been something so essential to the Avatar position(the connections to the past lives) imo. Sure, she beat Vatu, but it was her cleaning up her own mess. But she also released the sprite portals. You know, throughout the rest of the two seasons, all I never once saw any positive result(outside of the air bender nation, which I will get to in a bit) of her merging the two worlds. And maybe that's the shows fault, but her decision wasn't really a smart one imo, because I don't think the world was ready for it. Not to mention, and I stress this NOT ALL SPIRITS ARE GOOD. There are good spirits and bad spirits so that's conflict waiting to happen. Okay now on to Season 3...yes she got the Airbenders back and that was great....but she paid a huge cost for it that wasn't worth it imo. She gave Zaheer his Air Bending , and I would say that even though the Red Lotus was powerful, they would have been nowhere near the problem they were in Season 3 if the spirit portal hadn't been opened. Their fighting power drops significantly. And I would also say that the Earth Kingdom doesn't crumble because of it, which leads to Kuvira wanting world domination in Season 4. What I am saying is while Korra did bring balance and yes maybe even more than Aaang through TLAB, but the collateral damage of it all was much too great imo. I would say Aaang accomplished just as much but with little negative back lash. Which makes him the better Avatar imo.

Of course I remember you friend, I cannot forget a comrade. (although we may have to talk about Slaine another time )



You know, I can accept this. There are some counterarguments I could give, but I think this is a good place to agree to disagree. I will add this though just as an interesting point.

I will concede that Korra caused quite a bit of collateral damage, but I think it was part the point of Korra as a character. This is especially clear in this last season where she basically suffers from PTSD. But right from the beginning when she fought the Equalists, I think the show is establishing a theme of the avatar questioning if what they're doing is right. She constantly asks herself (as well as Tenzin) if she did the right thing or if she failed as an avatar. I feel like they needed her actions to be dubious in order for her to work as a character.

BUT - this does not change the fact that she did cause quite a bit of collateral damage, so I feel like I can understand your stance. I myself feel like Korra was placed in no-win situations more often than not, whereas Aang's were slightly more clear-cut. I guess it just depends on what you give value to as well. For me personally, restoring the Air nation was a big deal. I even remember thinking the end of TLAB: "So you defeated the fire nation. Great - but balance will never be restored because one entire end of the scale is missing" XD

But yea - we just come at it from different angles. It's really fun to hear different people's views on the characters.

On an unrelated note - I'm assuming your last remark means that Slaine has lost yet another supporter. I find it interesting that people are pointing out some traits in Korra that could also apply to Slaine - "Too emotional. Doesn't think things through. Causes her own problems". Fascinating
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Korra fought antagonists and OP fucks like Amon or Zaheer (who were a big major threat than the fire lord), why? Amon was a crazy man who had the ability to blood bend at will, this power alone is able to defeat the fire lord and also had the ability to remove the powers, he was basically trying to eliminate all the benders from earth, zaheer and his gang were OP as hell, Zaheer was even able to fucking fly with a few months of training, aang was never able to achieve that control, the lava bender was strong too, the rest were average... Unalaq was about to set free the most dangerous spirit of all time, and kubira had a fucking mecha with the mountain buster power

the point is Korra faced stronger opponents

yet she destroyed the connection with the previous avatars, was trained, had everything at her disposal and still managed to fail and disappeared for two years.

Aang united the four nations, restored the air nation, defeated the fire nation, he set free the earth nation, etc... which were major feats at his time, and he did all that by traveling through the 4 nations learning how to properly control each element

Aang > Korra
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