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The word "utopia" has two meanings; the good place (eutopia) and the nonexistent place (outopia). Although Jacque Fresco frequently denies comparisons to utopia, The Venus Project seems to fulfill many of the hopes and desires of the former definition.
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IT IS SO POSSIBLE Just take a small group of people and machines used to create electricity, some carpenters, and mechanics, and make sure they're anti social and they can somehow connect to the internet of Earth, put them on a different planet, and now you have your happy little utopia :p Oh and farmers and vets and give them some animals and a doctor...I wonder how long that is going to last
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Earth could never become a utopia.
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it is not possible.
here is why: evil is necessary for the existence of good. if hardship, sadness, and unhappiness never existed, we would not have any comprehension of happiness, joy, or good. even if everyone was what we, as we are now, would consider "happy", we would not feel elation because we'd have nothing to compare it to. (like a time we were unhappy). good and evil are necessary for each other's existence. because the standard we consider to be happiness is an emotion that has been weighed against sadness by our subconscious for our entire lives. (and the same goes for every emotion we feel)
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No, because it's subjective. My utopia would involve having a catgirl harem, scared catgirls might be running away right now thinking about that. ;_;

More seriously tough, why would you want that? It could only be achieved probably by *forcibly* getting everyone to stay in line, a la nazi Germany, or, to give a less controversial (but just as extreme) example, the society seen in the anime psycho pass . The people who are considered good citizens might then live in a sort of utopia, but at what cost? Is this ethical? I sure as hell would like to believe it is not.

Also, as the poster above me states, if you would never have a worry in your life, it would become boring and you might get sad over that (also seen in psycho-pass; people dying from lack of stress). At the least you wouldn't be happy about it.

And a lot of people in the rich countries are already bored to death by modern life; see the amount of people who said they would log into SAO knowing they might die because it would be less boring then real life in the other tread: somewhere between 75 and 85 % I guess. I'd also do it, I am a fanboy of SAO and it seems like fun. XD

I don't think this world needs to be made more boring!
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No, because Utopia is a form of pure happiness, everyone has access to everything, everyone is equal in everything, it's a form of communism (Just without the nasty dictators which people can't seem to differentiate between) . The world is a capitalist structure, as long as capitalism exists, greed will exist and as long as greed exists there will always be people who want more than someone else to stand above everyone else.
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Mastermintytheoriginal wrote:

IT IS SO POSSIBLE Just take a small group of people and machines used to create electricity, some carpenters, and mechanics, and make sure they're anti social and they can somehow connect to the internet of Earth, put them on a different planet, and now you have your happy little utopia :p Oh and farmers and vets and give them some animals and a doctor...I wonder how long that is going to last


haha they would probably lose their mind being cut off from everything else and the doctor would turn them into human experiments. lol
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i think i drank it once
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AiYumega wrote:

My first semester of college I took a class entirely based on Utopia.

It's not possible, as you'll never feel like it's Utopic. Gulliver's Travels, where he travels to the land of horses, and returns home. He hates it at home, he can't stand the sight of humans or being around them.

Sure, we could create a place with no crime, war, violence, but we can't change the human nature in us to never feel completely satisfied.

From Brave New World--


""We don't," said the Controller. "We prefer to do things comfortably."

"But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin."

"In fact," said Mustapha Mond, "you're claiming the right to be unhappy."

"All right then," said the Savage defiantly, "I'm claiming the right to be unhappy."

"Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat; the right

to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen to-morrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by

unspeakable pains of every kind." There was a long silence.

"I claim them all," said the Savage at last.





Thank you for that quote. It made me smile.

I don't think utopia is possible, and I'm not sure it's a goal we should try to aim for. Scientific studies have been done on this. When all needs are taken care of and competition is unnecessary, death settles in. It's also been of subject to literature often. I'm not sure I take to the Dune philosophy that war is an imperative to our survival and without war, we will not evolve or advance, and thus we must concoct strife when it's not there, however, I just don't know what the answer is......

Kinda leads into two topics I kinda wanted to start.
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NO!
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