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Posted 1/5/15 , edited 1/5/15

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I think students should be divided into classes to fit their appropriate skill level or pace. My stance on homework is that certain students don't need it and it ends up being an unnecessary time sink that could be used on something productive or *GASP* fun. Homework should be extra practice for those that need it and not a crutch for teachers who either can't evaluate properly or teach efficiently. I wasted so much time doing homework in school I eventually got annoyed and stop doing it completely... the result? No effect on my test scores at all, still A's...

I think common core only serves to hold back those quick learners (and bore them to death to kill their work ethic and enthusiasm) and to leave those not up to speed behind in despair.


THIS (quote above) was 100% true for me. In middle school in math especially I got to the point where I could do any calculation under 5 digits in my head faster than the fastest person on a calculator.. after that I kind of turned off after getting paper after paper of pointlessness. learning wtf the dao and naasdaq are and taxes/insurance woulda been a heck of a lot more helpful. also it made me so lazy that in highschool that I did 90% of my work on the bus ride to school or in the class before because it was that easy.. stupid simple time wasting work that it was. so yeah, DOWN WITH THE CORE OR RIOT!

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I am going to online school the escape it. I think it is stupid and we as an society are butchering the fate of the world.
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Communist core lol. Go on youtube and you'll find plenty of information about common core and why its so bad. here's one video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si-kx5-MKSE


have you read he actual policy or have you jumped on the band wagon of ignorance that exists on you tube? do you have any of your own reasons that you are against it? if so please lets discuss. if your only argument is someone else's opinion you saw in a you tube video it isn't valid.


I went to school for a month with common core nothing is achieved......
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I'm against in as far as math is concerned. It teaches you the long way around of getting the answer. There really isn't much of a need. As far as education as a whole the entire system (including college) needs to be changed. In middle and high school civic classes need to be restored. They need to teach how taxes work, the importance of voting, and the importance of learning how to invest. College should build on this and go further in depth and make it a requirement for all degrees because no matter what you're studying you're going to need these things in life. Also of the classes in a specific degree program should all be relevant to the actual job. An electrical engineer should not be required to study the works of Shakespeare. They will never need that knowledge to perform that job. It's a waste of time and money. Now if said engineer was interested in Shakespeare they should be able to take the class as an elective. I could go on but the education system really needs to be set up to where it churns out better informed and prepared future citizens. The country can't improve if your average citizen doesn't even understand basics of how things work.


This. This a thousand times. The only reason I didn't make a fool out of myself at the voting booth last year was because I learned it in American Government, in 12th grade. It should not have taken that long to teach students (some of whom already of voting age) the proper voting process.

Civics in high school was personally a waste, as they did nothing but skim over history, instead of teaching actual CIVICS. I'm 18 and ashamed that I barely know how to do taxes. I know thats more of a "go out and learn it yourself" thing, but It should be a part of the curriculum like voting is, I think it's more important actually because you can get away with not voting, but you can't get away with not paying your taxes.
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

Common Core is simply a way to dumb down children into nothing but mindless drones so all they can do is mindlessly work for corporations without any thought of themselves.



Conspiracy theories.... Unfortunately this one is pretty realistic.


umm reasons???? i have heard lots of these theories presented over and over again. nobody ever puts the reasons why they think that way. in my opinion it isn't holding anyone back rather setting a base standard for what kids need to know. that is they need to know at least that much however its not like there is some cap on it that will restrict advanced students. check out the article

"Why CEO's support common core" by Craig Barrett it explains this fairly well.
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I oppose common core for a number of reasons. First, I don't believe in national standards for education. I think we still should have state rule, state control over local educational systems. Common Core is another federal overreach in our public education system in America. Local municipalities and states know better than the federal government, in my opinion, how to best craft policy for their locality's education program.

It, like most policy standards which are test based, ends up becoming a "teach to the test" type of classroom setting. Which isn't productive for the students or the teachers. I went to school in a test based atmosphere where everyone taught to the test. I was woefully unprepared, in many respects, for college. And I was top in my graduating class.

I hope, in the end, they end up helping our education system. But, I'm skeptical. As a parent myself, I'm extra skeptical of any nationalized set of standards.


all i have to say is that you happen to be from Maryland am i correct? being in a state that has better education standards than most i can see how you feel this way about federal overreach, however being from a bottom rung state as far as the education is concerned federal overreach in that department is needed badly. Arizona schools are stupid compared to most east coast schools and for the people living here they are becoming more ignorant with each passing generation. it is very common to meet people here who have no interest in learning, or their future, they know they will never make anything of themselves and therefore they turn being criminals. if they had a better opportunity to become educated when it could have counted they wouldn't be home invading families or looking at 10-20 year sentances in prison.
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all i have to say is that you happen to be from Maryland am i correct? being in a state that has better education standards than most i can see how you feel this way about federal overreach, however being from a bottom rung state as far as the education is concerned federal overreach in that department is needed badly. Arizona schools are stupid compared to most east coast schools and for the people living here they are becoming more ignorant with each passing generation. it is very common to meet people here who have no interest in learning, or their future, they know they will never make anything of themselves and therefore they turn being criminals. if they had a better opportunity to become educated when it could have counted they wouldn't be home invading families or looking at 10-20 year sentances in prison.

I get we have poor education standards in some states, but when does that become the responsibility of the federal government to fix problems in individual states? That's on them as well it should be on them. Also, as I said, teaching to a test is no way to teach. You don't teach reason, logic, or the ability to think a certain way by teaching to a test - and that was my issue with NCLB and is my problem with Common Core.

Also, there are bad schools everywhere. MD has SOME great schools and some absolutely horrendous schools. That's the case everywhere across the US from big cities to suburban areas. For me, Common Core isn't the answer to fixing that, it's a combination of school choice, merit based pay for teachers, and support for charter schools.
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Common Core is absolute bunk, look up the videos of the Mother who basically blasts it out of the water. Good old fashioned traditional math will always be better, I don't need to draw circles and use 150+ steps to solve 90 divided by 6. (It's 15 for you poor people forced to be learning common core).

My kids, if and when i ever have them, will be brought up with traditional math.
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I can say that I have been very fortunate to be a quick learner and able to do school work very easily. I have also moved around the country ever since I was born because of my parents' jobs. I honestly believe that common core in it's essence would be extremely helpful in education and help a lot of students. However knowing exactly how much America can fuck it all up makes me very cautious of what will be done with it.
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I can say that I have been very fortunate to be a quick learner and able to do school work very easily. I have also moved around the country ever since I was born because of my parents' jobs. I honestly believe that common core in it's essence would be extremely helpful in education and help a lot of students. However knowing exactly how much America can fuck it all up makes me very cautious of what will be done with it.


yeah agreed
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It, like most policy standards which are test based, ends up becoming a "teach to the test" type of classroom setting. Which isn't productive for the students or the teachers. I went to school in a test based atmosphere where everyone taught to the test. I was woefully unprepared, in many respects, for college. And I was top in my graduating class.


i don't know why i missed this when i read your post the first time. but i think it is the most valid argument i have heard from anyone on the subject. i agree that could hurt the educational system a lot more than setting base standards for states with lower education could help it.
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American school children are always guinea pigs, and bad ideas never go away. If common core works, it will be done away with. If it does not, it will be one of the useless ideas education refuses to stop trying like see the word, say the word, a reading and writing program that relies solely on rote memorization, and contributes greatly to illiteracy.
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GreatLordBalzak wrote:

I think students should be divided into classes to fit their appropriate skill level or pace. My stance on homework is that certain students don't need it and it ends up being an unnecessary time sink that could be used on something productive or *GASP* fun. Homework should be extra practice for those that need it and not a crutch for teachers who either can't evaluate properly or teach efficiently. I wasted so much time doing homework in school I eventually got annoyed and stop doing it completely... the result? No effect on my test scores at all, still A's...

I think common core only serves to hold back those quick learners (and bore them to death to kill their work ethic and enthusiasm) and to leave those not up to speed behind in despair.


interesting, why do you feel that it will hold back advanced students?
it does not restrict students from advanced studies. it does require more of the average student though.

i do agree with you about homework though. i have never learned anything while doing homework. if i understood the subject i was able to complete the homework however it was a waste of time. and when i did not understand i usually had to wait to ask the teacher the next day anyways.

as far as leaving students behind, I saw this as a policy that would actually improve upon this problem. students already get left behind all the time, with a way to check how they are progressing it is less likely they with slip through unnoticed. well givin that all goes according to plan that is.


Honestly I think individualized education would be the best but that isn't economically feasible. I have noticed that in many cases the slower learners aren't always poor students but learn best with different methods. I think many people have different learning styles. That flaw doesn't only lie with Common Core but also the old standards too.

As far as the more advanced students go there is nothing stopping them from self study. At heart these students themselves are still kids so if you sit them down in school all day and then have them study more they wouldn't be receptive to it. You need time to unwind.

I also believe that we need learning based both on concept AND practical use. There was a time where we were factoring trinomials in class and I kept getting stuck on and annoyed at the imprecise "guess and check" method they were teaching, somehow though (by accident really) I found a much longer (on paper) method that processed in my head much quicker. That method turned out to be the "proof" as to why that supposed shortcut (not for me!) worked.

In short I wasn't clear enough why I was against Common Core. I'm not satisfied with the old standard but I don't think Common Core is the answer either. I think students need to be evaluated and placed in classes at their level and placed in a comfortable non-hostile environment.

Even when I got bored with school I still did homework and consistently got my 4.0 but it was after they started removing the fun from school that I stopped caring. The final nail in the coffin to me was the cutting of breaks and recesses to laughably short times and limited what we could do and where. School shouldn't feel like a prison.

Edit: One thing I do like (that many parents seem to hate) about how they are doing things is I noticed the methods they are teaching for math are breakdown methods that I have discovered for myself and have been using for years for my mental math. It has very good practical use when you don't have anything to write on... by simplifying the data it makes it much easier to remember and calculate. Still I think the traditional methods should be taught too and it made clear that you choose the method based on the situation.
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One of my subjects at uni was Education. What I discovered was national education was not about educating the masses but a tool for control. You can't have rules if the public can't read and understand these rules. Parents do need to take an interest in their children's education and there should be a decent advocacy to see to those who don't have parents or neglectful parents. Currents schools and systems struggle with this. In reality education isn't one size fits all.
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I am against it. I've seen the way they have to teach math to underclassmen. They have to use several steps to solve 3 x 5. I do not have words for this.
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