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Post Reply What do you think about global warming?
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Posted 1/5/15
This is a current issue, that affects everybody in the world,
Do you think we should use more green technology and other types of energy sources to prevent a future disaster ?
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Well yeah.. That would be nice if we could do that. But that isn't the only problem/thing.. and well.. It seems a lot of people seem to not want to really invest in taking care of the planet.. Sadly. I mean.. It isn't so much that they don't care, I just think a lot of people aren't sure where to start, and whatnot. I guess, be the change you want to see, eh..?
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It would be the wise thing to do but honestly most people don't care about these things until it starts affecting them directly.


Humans are such selfish creatures.
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It's late for me, so I will sum up my position in three points:

1. Global Climate Change is happening.
2. We do have an effect on this.
3. Even if that effect is less than claimed, we ought to do what we can to minimize it because the alternative is very, very unhealthy for us.
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Posted 1/6/15
yes we should use more green technology and better energy sources. though distributed energy sources like solar, wind, tidal, etc won't be enough.
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I think it's a serious concern. I also notice our weather patterns are seriously and dramatically changing within my own lifetime (33 years).

I think, however, our approach to combatting it is kinda ass backwards.

Recently at a local meeting for a group of citizens working with the local government to promote more green actions, it was announced that, basically, recycling is a sham. The recyclables that we put in our bins are more likely than not to be shipped to a dumping grounds or incinerator rather than actually recycled. The reason for this is that most of our recycled goods are shipped to China, where they are purchased at extremely low prices, recycled for raw materials, and shipped back in Chinese made products to the US. Unfortunately, the downturn in the economy and the lowered consumption of the average consumer have resulted ina glut of recyclable materials for the Chinese and they're getting both more picky and more selective in what they accept. Whereas we've now gone single stream, there's actually less products actually accepted by the recycling companies. They're still overloaded and reliant on hand picking and sorting, which in turn means there isnot enough time to efficientl sort the number of items flying down the line, and cleaning the goods is simply not done.

What was proposed was that we should encourage residents to clean ALL containers, removing every speck of food or trash. Yogurt containers, jars, etc. should be put through the dishwasher before being tossed in the bin. ALL paper products that have grease, (such as paper plates, pizza boxes, etc.) are not recyclable. (yet usage is still encouraged over styrofoam or plastic). If paper has a wax finish it is unrecyclable. (essentially, the only things recyclable are unwaxed cardboard shipping boxes, paper printouts, and newspapers). With bottles and jars, the lids (and the little plastic rings that hold the lids on) are often oftwo different types of plastic or materials and therefore these rings and lids must be cut off and separated. Also only 3-4 different number plastics are accepted so checking the numbers is important.

Even with all these steps, it is still admitted that a good portion of these materials will STILL be rejected as the recyclables are sold in bundles to china (remember it burns a LOT of fuel getting there), and if there's a single person that doesn't follow this, chances are the entire bale will be rejected and sent to a landfill.

Additionally, the single stream containers provided by the recycling company have to be placed precisely and facing in the right direction for the trucks to allow for automated pick up by the trucks. If these bins are out of place,a worker has to come out of the truck and position it correctly, which incurs larger charges for the township, despite the fact that the bins are supposed to make pick upeasier (and to some degree they do),

Currently, ecological policies are reliant on economic ones, and economics dictate what we do ecologically. This in and of itself isn't a bad thing, (or rather, it's the way it's always going to have to be. if it doesn't make economic sense, it's not going to work) but the system of which we use, is overly complicated, not user friendly, and does not work on the principal of efficiency or consider logistics seriously. Instead it relies on donations to fund ecological efforts, private enterprise to research (and often resulting in little funding as current energy and resources are dramatically cheaper, and private research relies too heavily on subsidization, and is in the realm of art student designers, whom are primarily concerned with creating "new" rather than doing in depth product research, implementation, user demand, and currently accepted model of designs, as well as designing to make a transition easy for the traditional user).

In short, ecology today considers everything except the end user and their needs and habits. They are just as wasteful and expensive (if not more so) than the traditional models and in many ways are doomed to fail.

The only ways that this can change are that the thoughts we have about going "green" are changed to show that they cost less, are more efficient, and easily fit into current models. (green outcompetes traditional, and by a large margin) or the cost of traditional models are so outrageously overpriced (due to supply diminishing and demand rising).
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Posted 1/6/15
I have heard both sides of this argument so many times it makes me puke. However, to those that deny climate change, i will switch the argument. I love to do that.
Go to the back end of car. By the exhaust. breath in that air right there by the exhaust.
(now if you actually did that, this argument is over because you are an idiot and i will not bring myself down to your level)
Regardless of what one thinks about climate change, what comes out the back end of a car is not meant for everything in the environment.
We could use the same theory with stacks from any power plants. (hey, i am a boiler operator)
We do have a huge dependency for carbon base fuels.
Now, i am not an idiot. Solar is not THE answer.
The answer requires less carbon base fuel and more non carbon base fuels. (uh, i might be talking myself out of a job. Oh well.)
The answer is better diversity (Solar is part of the solution, NOT the only solution)
There, unfortunately, a lot of money already invested in carbon base fuels.
The problem is not technology
The problem is that the common person does not care (they do)
The problem is where our money is right now.
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global climate change, global warming. whatever you wanna call it, you cant honestly stop it or make a difference. the EPA's method of tracking enviromentally effecting chemicals and activities dictates that 97% of america's pollutants are industrial, and the system has a 3% margin of error. which means if LITERALLY every person in america recycled absolutely everything possible and the whole population were to switch to green tech. It would make zero difference due to the extremely high amout of pollution coming from the industrial sector. Wether or not people care doesnt matter, wether or not we can change technology doesnt matter. This country is about money and industry makes money. Dont expect that seperating your bottles and paper from your garbage is going to save the planet. thats just foolish. Dont get me wrong i definatly believe you should. Do everything in your power to help. Ride a bike when possible. Recycle. Even if you doing something makes no difference globally, it can help your local community. First step to fixing the world is to fix your neighborhood.
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Additionally, I'd like to comment on the fact that society is also kinda of broken and going "green" is not as simple as people think.

First of all, recycling isn't the end solution. Even though we all know"reduce, reuse, recycle" it's not as though those three things are of equal value. It's actually a heirarchy. You should reduce your consumption to conserve resources,then reuse current goods to save energy and materials, and finally, when the item in question is completely in disrepair, recycle the materials.

That doesn't jive with our immense retail and consumer based economy. (something that has been in existence for perhaps the last 100 years). 71% ofthe US economy is tied up in consumer spending. That's NOT an easy model to change, and definitely not as drastically as we need to save the environment and put a damper on the current warming trends.

When it comes to a growing population and food sources, unfortunately, a lot of what we do doesn't make sense. Beef is outrageous when it comes to land usage. Produce? still grown on vast swathes of land inefficiently. (not to mention monocultures).Organic versus GMO is not as clear cut as one may think. Free range versus traditional poses ecological problem based on its much greater usage of space. Farmed fish versus wild caught can also pose problems. (do you encourage farms, which can be used to restock wild supplies and curb the depletion in their natural habitat, or do you suffer from the problems presented to the quality of life for the animals inthe farms?) In many ways, the new concerns for organics and fair treatment of animals is actually doing some harm, and some of these concerns have to be addressed with an "out of the box" solution. But, on the other hand, one of the biggest reasons we face these issues is simply that there are so damned many humans. (but, laughably, where population is less, consumption of resources per capita goes way up)

What solutions are there really to be had?
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And then there are the people who deny that global warming exists...
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Posted 1/6/15

ReadingTheStars95 wrote:

Well yeah.. That would be nice if we could do that. But that isn't the only problem/thing.. and well.. It seems a lot of people seem to not want to really invest in taking care of the planet.. Sadly. I mean.. It isn't so much that they don't care, I just think a lot of people aren't sure where to start, and whatnot. I guess, be the change you want to see, eh..?


Agreed, but sadly it seems to be more people who just don't care than people who don't know where to start or what to do. Seems people now days care only about "their" little world they live in. It would help if people cared more about the planet and those who are on it instead of what helps them get ahead.

Posted 1/6/15

LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

And then there are the people who deny that global warming exists...


Tell them to prove it xD
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Posted 1/6/15
Its bad and we should do something about it.
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makes it easier to fry eggs on the sidewalk
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Well its starting to get a bit colder in Hawaii, so things are starting to change
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