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Does anyone know a data source that goes back before the "Little Ice Age" (before 1300)?

XKCD has this timeline:
https://xkcd.com/1732/

Buuuuut I could not find more info about his listed climate data sources, who funded the data collection, how they did it, etc:

Shawn et al (2012)
Marcott et al (2013)
Annan and Hargreaves (2013)
Hadcruth, IPCC


I'm wondering about that XKCD graph. From what I gather, the consensus is that global averages have not risen in the last twenty years. "The Pause". But xkcd shows it going up dramatically.

Also, he puts human as having reached N America at 14500 BC. Recently, archaeologists found mastodon bones in South Dakota that were marked by human tools. Those bones are dated at 130,000 years old. WHOOPS. Sorry, Mr. Sanctimonious Bloviating Web-comic Artist. Maybe you shouldn't virtue signal like a Pharisee when you don't even have your facts right.
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lso, they need to do a better job of presenting evidence of global warming.



This. About ten million times. I think there's a huge gap between how scientists present things and how activists present things. For example, the polar ice caps were supposed to be gone two or three years ago. They were absolutely confident. People can only take crying "warming" so many times before they tune out, you know? But then, when you hear people talking about how "the solution" is a world-wide command economy like communist China --with them in command...well, then it becomes fairly obvious what is driving the hysteria.
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crunchtacular wrote:

Does anyone know a data source that goes back before the "Little Ice Age" (before 1300)?

XKCD has this timeline:
https://xkcd.com/1732/

Buuuuut I could not find more info about his listed climate data sources, who funded the data collection, how they did it, etc:

Shawn et al (2012)
Marcott et al (2013)
Annan and Hargreaves (2013)
Hadcruth, IPCC


I'm wondering about that XKCD graph. From what I gather, the consensus is that global averages have not risen in the last twenty years. "The Pause". But xkcd shows it going up dramatically.


I suppose maybe we'll never know.

Some say that the NOAA's modern measurements revised it, so there was no pause:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38513740

And some say it's still more complicated than that - there could have been a pause after all - with variables like El Nino in 2015/16 affecting measurements:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/death-global-warming-pause-greatly-exaggerated/#
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It'll just make beach front property more affordable.
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crunchtacular wrote:

I suppose maybe we'll never know.

Some say that the NOAA's modern measurements revised it, so there was no pause:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38513740

And some say it's still more complicated than that - there could have been a pause after all - with variables like El Nino in 2015/16 affecting measurements:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/death-global-warming-pause-greatly-exaggerated/#


Yah. I think I've read news reports about both of those like you show. Thanks for digging those up.

It's really hard to trust all the doom and gloom stuff when they can't even agree if it's warming or pausing or not or both or whatever. I think for the average person: be frugal, be conservative, appreciate nature and grow lots of plants, and value efficiency.
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Global Warming is a myth, how any of you guys can take all those THE ICE CAPS ARE MELTING people seriously is frankly laughable. If I go outside and it's snowing...the snow melts because the sun is shining down on it. O-Zone layer? Our emissions are some of the best in the world.
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I believe at the very least that the world is experiencing a warming of some sort. Whose to say that we are partially to blame or its just a natural occurrence. I want our country to focus more attention on the big issues like environment and the space program to allow our people to continue progressing. What would Pepe think lol.

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Global warming will be the cause of one of humanity's greatest challenges. How we confront it will determine the fate of our species.
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HopexLight wrote:

Global Warming is a myth, how any of you guys can take all those THE ICE CAPS ARE MELTING people seriously is frankly laughable. If I go outside and it's snowing...the snow melts because the sun is shining down on it. O-Zone layer? Our emissions are some of the best in the world.


I do hope that was sarcasm >_<.
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HopexLight wrote:

Global Warming is a myth, how any of you guys can take all those THE ICE CAPS ARE MELTING people seriously is frankly laughable. If I go outside and it's snowing...the snow melts because the sun is shining down on it. O-Zone layer? Our emissions are some of the best in the world.


I do hope that was sarcasm >_<.


Bruh..... Yes...yes it was.
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HopexLight wrote:


mxdan wrote:


HopexLight wrote:

Global Warming is a myth, how any of you guys can take all those THE ICE CAPS ARE MELTING people seriously is frankly laughable. If I go outside and it's snowing...the snow melts because the sun is shining down on it. O-Zone layer? Our emissions are some of the best in the world.


I do hope that was sarcasm >_<.


Bruh..... Yes...yes it was.


Ok haha, you never know anymore to be honest .
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Shipwright wrote:

lso, they need to do a better job of presenting evidence of global warming.



This. About ten million times. I think there's a huge gap between how scientists present things and how activists present things. For example, the polar ice caps were supposed to be gone two or three years ago. They were absolutely confident. People can only take crying "warming" so many times before they tune out, you know? But then, when you hear people talking about how "the solution" is a world-wide command economy like communist China --with them in command...well, then it becomes fairly obvious what is driving the hysteria.


I'm not sure what kind of evidence you want them to present better but there are countless scientific research papers outlining the factors contributing to and the dangers of global warming. The climate change deniers just can't be bothered to read them. Most of the world media also have clearly brought up the subject, with flashy graphs, footage of the ice caps falling apart, wildlife species dying, the rainforests getting cut down or suffering from drought. I honestly don't know what more one can do to enlighten the world of the effects of global warming. I think most people 'get it'. However, there is another area of interest for the elites and the ones controlling the oil industry and government. We all know it, they all know it. It's come to the point where even giants like Exxon is pushing for carbon taxation now (although one has to be sceptical after they've been pushing the other direction for decades).
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we got no control over it so what the point
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It's an old phenomenon, why do you think all the forests in northern Africa got cleared thousands of years ago? in Morrocco, there's only a teeny-weeny bit of forests left since that time, that's what I remember from The Jeff Corwin's experience.
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I would rather burn than drown.

or would we drown because we are burning.

Im confused. What do you want from us world?

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I've always thought about global warming the exact same way and my opinion hasn't changed over time, there is no doubt in my mind that regardless of whether or not global warming with be the symptom of our demise, I think it's safe to assume that our demise here on Earth is already determined. People get too hung up on Earth, they get too hung up on the things that exist here, the history, the animals. Everything about Earth to some people is just sacred but I don't see it that way, there are other planets out there where life can be more prosperous and not a constant concern for us.

Say in the case that all Western countries are first to implement structures in the economy where it taxes fossil fuel's and give subsidies to companies that are focusing on renewable forms of energy I think that could be one step but then it's convincing other countries like many Middle Easter countries still see oil and fossil fuels as economically viable sources to feed their economies and those countries don't have much in the way of exports. the focus in my mind is always going to be on countries like China, Saudi Arabia and India, these countries are developing economic superpowers with two of the countries having populations that equate to almost 1/3rd of the worlds population.

So regardless of the things we sacrifice here in the west, from going from a strictly balanced diet of meat and vegetables to strictly vegan alternatives or renewable energies, I don't think we'll see appreciable returns on our efforts as long as there are nations like China that refuse to regulate certain parts of their economy or India.
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