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I've been a fujoshi since I was 15, now I'm 31. I can't remember if it was Heroic Legend Arslan or Interview with the Vampire that first got me into it. My highschool friend Jessi was also a fujoshi.



Okay ladies, I gotta ask you a question. I'm in the mood for some really slashy stuff with BL fanservice that isn't technically BL. Why? Because straight-up BL tends to have really weak storylines. Here's some examples of Shounen & other non BL things with such fanservice:

*Hunter x Hunter.
*The original Arsalan Senki, the one with GOOD art, not the crappy new one.
*GetBackers.
*Cute High Earth Defense Club Love.
*Gensomaden Saiyuki.
*Free!


Hmmm fanservice BL?

I reccomend good sports anime.
Kuroko no Basuke, Haikyuu, Yowamushi Pedal. Big Wind Up, TeniPri

Owari no Seraph *(manga currently---anime Spring 2015)
UtaPrince, Horimiya (manga), Kiss Him not Me, Megane-bu

And lots others but I don't know what genres you like.
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I only bring it up with friends who also like anime and manga. Other than that I would not bring it up unless I was asked about it. But I would not go out of my way to hide it either.
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Okay ladies, I gotta ask you a question. I'm in the mood for some really slashy stuff with BL fanservice that isn't technically BL. Why? Because straight-up BL tends to have really weak storylines. Here's some examples of Shounen & other non BL things with such fanservice:

*Hunter x Hunter.
*The original Arsalan Senki, the one with GOOD art, not the crappy new one.
*GetBackers.
*Cute High Earth Defense Club Love.
*Gensomaden Saiyuki.
*Free!


check out Gintama there's a livejournal that translates a loooot of yaoi doujinshi from that series. lol even the series itself alludes to it XD



oh there's also Makai Ouji: Devils and Realist , i haven't finished it yet but it's pretty good, lots of pretty men ^^ and it's not yaoi and the story is fairly interesting.
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1.Do you tell your friends you like BL? Why or why not?

This is just my experience and shouldn't be generalized at all but I'm definitely the type of person that doesn't care what people think of me. And I sort of developed a taste for manga and Yaoi at the same time so they were always interchangeable for me. So the minute I was making friends that also liked manga, I would immediately talk about yaoi even if they didn't like it. In middle school it was a problem because my friends legitimately didn't like it and thought it was disgusting (ironically years later one told me she got into shounen-ai, babysteps). In high school though I made some other yaoi fan girl friends and I didn't feel it was all that rare. If you were a girl, you like yaoi, that's what I thought. The funniest part of my high school life was that I had a ton of guy friends that didn't even like manga that much let alone know what yaoi was before they knew me. But everyday I would bring some of the raunchiest, graphic yaoi in my collection and have the pages open and shove it in their faces. I might've been a sadist. But I still believe if our generation is going to become accepting of gays they just got to get used to seeing it. And think, despite everyday chasing these guys with yaoi in my hands they always stayed my friends. I was just known as the yaoi girl. Now I've matured and don't shove it in their face but I've never been ashamed to admit that I like yaoi.

2. Would you ever consider telling others about your interests? Why or why not?

This was answered before in the previous question, but I'm a yaoi fangirl and not ashamed. Frankly, I think yaoi is too big of a genre in the manga and anime world for anyone not to be willing to just admit they like it. I equate it to American society accepting that men think seeing two women together is hot. Women finding to men together hot is basically the same thing.

If your friend were interested in the genre, what would you recommend to them?

In high school I was the yaoi pimp. I was so well read seeing that I started young that I knew much more than the older yaoi fangirls. For newcomer I guess some shounen-ai is good. Back then the stuff coming from June (American manga publisher) was pretty light fluff. I remember giving a friend a cd of different titles and her favorite was something by Makoto Tateno.

3.Why do you think the interest in BL/Yaoi is so looked down upon in our society?

Simple fact that homosexuality is looked down upon in our society. I don't know if I was young or naïve but I never heard nothing about this negative stigma that yaoi is rape that some people are talking about. I've soooooo many yaoi and the percentage that is about or has rape is so little. If anything hentai has 100 times more rape than yaoi. I always thought people didn't like yaoi because they didn't like homosexuality back then. If people do say anything about rape then I guess it comes from their same arguments against homosexuality. Gays shouldn't be teachers because they'll rape their students. Gays shouldn't have kids because they're pedophiles and more likely to rape their kids. This same nonsense.

But I feel like yaoi is accepted in the manga and anime world and other than people in this world who knows what yaoi is? Who's talking about it?

Lastly,
What are your fave BL/Yaoi manga/anime?

Wow, there are very few that I dislike. I like so many mangaka I can't list them all. I might get some slack for this but the only mangaka I think is popular that I haven't really like is that Miyamoto Kano.

@LikaLaruku Have you tried Hands Off? It's an eight volume manga so it's not that long and I read it to the end thinking for sure it was going to end with at least some shounen ai but nope. Main character had a girlfriend. I think that's what you're talking about right?
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1. My friends all pretty much like BL too :)
2. I'd tell someone of my interests if it came up in conversation because I have no shame feelings around my tastes but I wouldn't have reason to bring it up 99 out of 100 times.
3. I think it's looked down on because of homophobia. My mom thinks it's a strange taste but when I described it as romance and sexy scenes without having to look at some chick in the middle of the action she could see my point.
** I miss the 100 yen yaoi section at Book Off. If y'all go to Japan it's a must go!!!**
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I'll answer this because I have a different perspective for the last question.

1-I don't generally tell my friends I like BL, unless they're into anime. It's bad enough when I tell them I like anime. They don't get it. BL would just be beyond their capabilities to understand. My husband knows though. He doesn't get it, but he doesn't care. And my nephew knows because he's into catgirls so he can't say much. ;)

2-No I won't broadcast it. I have a job in a very conservative company and I can't afford to let them know.

3-Why do I think BL is looked down upon? Certainly the m/m part of it is a factor in some circles, but you see the distaste for it even in the answers above. What is it I'm seeing?

For one, people don't want to admit they like *that* kind of BL. A lot of Americans (and I'm American so I see it every day) are really uncomfortable with sexual fantasies that are not socially correct. They don't like to admit they ever have them, and many think anyone who does is a deviant who should be in jail or at least looked down upon. For some reason they think sexual fantasies should be sanitized and healthy, when everyone knows they're most fun when they're wicked. But it's why I can't admit I read BL under my real name, and especially that I love BL like Viewfinder. God forbid anyone likes reading shota.

A more insidious reason is that a lot of people don't want to admit they like stories centered on emotions and love. Westerners are taught in all their classes to look down on anything that is emotional (look at the books and movies we're taught are classics and art- wild emotion in them is punished; restraint is rewarded), and the more emotional the further they think it is removed from sophisticated art. Look at the scorn heaped upon romance novels, when the level of writing in them is as good as a lot of the crime / western / fantasy novels you can buy. Why is that? There are a lot of romances with great writing. But unlike those other genres they deal in relationships and love-- melodrama, fluff, sap, think of all the negative ways to say emotional. But I go into a book group and everyone is quick to say "I don't like things that are too emotional, sappy, etc," distancing themselves from it as if it's a sign of how much taste you have. This has its roots in chauvinism, and I really dislike the way it pervades Western critical thinking. If you don't like it, fine, but don't use it as a signifier of quality. It is not one.

I will say that anime and manga readers do this much less than other groups of readers I've dealt with. But those trying to convince others of manga's (or BL's) literary or artistic value almost always brush off whole sub-genres with those slights. They say "Sure some BL is (porn, deviant, not realistic, rape fantasy, unhealthy (please...), too emotionally over the top, too focused on happy endings), but look over here, this other BL has *value*." As if the publication and broadcasting women's fantasies has no value. My God, 50 years ago people barely admitted that women had fantasies.

The emergence of the romance novel genre in the 70s, with the rise of feminism, changed publishing, and eventually became a way for women to express their sexuality unapologetically. We're still getting hammered for it. BL-hate is just another facet of that.
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Hmmm fanservice BL?

I recommend good sports anime.
Kuroko no Basuke, Haikyuu, Yowamushi Pedal. Big Wind Up, TeniPri

Owari no Seraph *(manga currently---anime Spring 2015)
UtaPrince, Horimiya (manga), Kiss Him not Me, Megane-bu

And lots others but I don't know what genres you like.



Thanks for recommending "Kiss Him, Not Me," it's really quite funny ^_____^


That Seraph manga also seems promising. I'll bookmark it.

I'm not terribly picky about genre, but I'm hoping to avoid boy-girl romance completely. What I'm really looking for right now is either something that has a minimum of 4 male lead characters with lots of friend-angst & bromance & none of them are interested in a particular girl, or the series where the hero has a plethora of friends & allies who seem a little too interested in him.

Examples of female character not spoiling the BL fanservice:
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Free (Sports / Slice of Life) = None of the shipable guys EVER hit on Gou, Only two minor characters are interested in her.

Hunter x Hunter (Shounen / Fighting) = All female characters are minor characters. Killua sabotages the only hetero date in the entire series.

Everyday Lives of School Boys (School / Slice of Life) = All of the women are bullies, so the boys are terrified of them.

Cute High Earth Defense Club Love (Magical Girls / Comedy) = Total sausagefest. Not a woman to be seen.

GetBackers (Shounen / Fighter) = Author sinks all possible hetero pairings in the last arc. Anime cuts out most of the ecchi & amps up the BL fanservice to 11.

Gensoumaden Saiyuki (Jousei / Historical) = Gojyo brags about all the girlfriends he totally had before he was stuck with these guys, but has romantic tension with Hakkai & different degrees of sexual tension with Sanzo & Goku. Sanzo is a magnet for gay, even his enemies are like "notice me, senpai!" & "ditch these losers for a real man!"

Gintama (Shounen / Action / Comedy) = It's pretty obvious that there will be no hook-ups in this "no kissing no hugging" series, unless Otae married Kondou. Sometimes the author ship-teases gay pairs (usually guys who can't stand eachother) for pure shits & giggles. I'll still take it.

Black Butler: There are no important (genetically) female characters (that live). The hero was engaged to his first cousin from childhood & his feelings toward her are platonic. She's also incredibly annoying & got reduced to a background character who only appears casually in the manga. He's also a magnet for perverts & is sometimes forced to crossdress



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LikaLaruku wrote:
Okay ladies, I gotta ask you a question. I'm in the mood for some really slashy stuff with BL fanservice that isn't technically BL. Why? Because straight-up BL tends to have really weak storylines. Here's some examples of Shounen & other non BL things with such fanservice:

*Hunter x Hunter.
*The original Arsalan Senki, the one with GOOD art, not the crappy new one.
*GetBackers.
*Cute High Earth Defense Club Love.
*Gensomaden Saiyuki.
*Free!


check out Gintama there's a livejournal that translates a loooot of yaoi doujinshi from that series. lol even the series itself alludes to it XD



oh there's also Makai Ouji: Devils and Realist , i haven't finished it yet but it's pretty good, lots of pretty men ^^ and it's not yaoi and the story is fairly interesting.


I've already seen & read Gintama. There's no genuine bromance in it though, since the guys care barely stand to be around eachother, but the fanservice is hilarious, especially since Kondou, the Shogun, & Madao always somehow end up naked whenever Gintoki is around,
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LikaLaruku wrote:

I've been a fujoshi since I was 15, now I'm 31. I can't remember if it was Heroic Legend Arslan or Interview with the Vampire that first got me into it. My highschool friend Jessi was also a fujoshi.



Okay ladies, I gotta ask you a question. I'm in the mood for some really slashy stuff with BL fanservice that isn't technically BL. Why? Because straight-up BL tends to have really weak storylines. Here's some examples of Shounen & other non BL things with such fanservice:

*Hunter x Hunter.
*The original Arsalan Senki, the one with GOOD art, not the crappy new one.
*GetBackers.
*Cute High Earth Defense Club Love.
*Gensomaden Saiyuki.
*Free!


am not a girl.

but i would recommend Tiger & Bunny... it's probably the epitome of what you're talking about...

and Makai Ouji: Devils & Realist.

Both are available in anime and manga forms.

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Hakkenden: Eight dogs of the east.

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And if you can handle both slash and parody, i would recommend Cuticle Detective Inaba; it's a parody anime... like Cute High, and it has good slash factors... (although one of the pairing is between a man and a talking goat)... don't worry it's not bestiality, the goat is a person... i can't really explain it without you watching it.


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To answer the OP's question. Yes, I do. The whole world knows what am into and what am not into.

I don't like keeping secrets (about myself), but i can hide other people's secrets well... i think.
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First of all, none of my friends like ANIME so talking about manga with them, regardless of the genre, is useless

I still talk about anime to some friends who listen to my ramblings completely uninterested. I even mention yaoi and I say that I like stories with 2 guys who fall in love but they are either ignoring me or just don't care...or both XD because they never say anything. (I'm serious, they just look at me like "ok")

I have 2 straight brothers who know about my yaoi collection and they admitted that shounen ai is ok. They are both open minded, one even read a gay themed book and liked it. The other one watched shounen ai with me (loveless, gravitation etc) but no hardcore stuff. However, we all watch Queer as folk and the L word.


3.Why do you think the interest in BL/Yaoi is so looked down upon in our society?


I wonder why...I think lesbians, yuri or shoujo ai is MORE accepted by men AND women. This is true in all aspects! I was listening to the radio once where the question was "why are lesbians more accepted than gays?" or something along those lines. Everyone who answered said the same thing: "women are beautiful and most of them do it as a joke, while men are not beautiful. If 2 men kiss they are serious but if 2 women kiss they don't have to be serious."

BS. all of it. it is just nonsense.

Does that answer the question?



My favorite yaoi right now is In these words....not only the story is VERY interesting, not cliche at all, it also has so many twists (and hot dudes!)






PS. I don't like slash or fanservice. Free! and hunterxhunter (for example) are just about friendship for me, I have no yaoi goggles for animes with male characters and no romance. As for yaoi, I tend to avoid yaoi with high school settings or the ones where the uke is very feminine...I like my boys to look like men, that's why I prefer yaoi like Embracing love or the one I mentioned above. I also prefer more complicated stories like detectives/FBI vs criminals etc
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yes i do tell my friends that i like BL they think its cool

my favorite BL manga
1.World's greatest first love
2.love stage
3.Crimson Spell
4.his favorite
5.awkward silence
6.blue morning
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Iam not a girl.

but i would recommend Tiger & Bunny... it's probably the epitome of what you're talking about...

and Makai Ouji: Devils & Realist.

Both are available in anime and manga forms.

07 Ghost.
Hakkenden: Eight dogs of the east.

___________________

And if you can handle both slash and parody, i would recommend Cuticle Detective Inaba; it's a parody anime... like Cute High, and it has good slash factors... (although one of the pairing is between a man and a talking goat)... don't worry it's not bestiality, the goat is a person... i can't really explain it without you watching it.


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To answer the OP's question. Yes, I do. The whole world knows what am into and what am not into.

I don't like keeping secrets (about myself), but i can hide other people's secrets well... i think.


I haven't seen the anime for Tiger & Bunny, but I read several volumes of the manga, & I think my Yaoi Goggles are broke, because I wasn't getting any bromance vibes from it at all. Also, the scanlators abandoned the manga, so I can't finish it. Of course, it could be like GetBackers, where the bromance is played up to 11 in the anime compared to the manga. I guess I need someone who's both seen & read it to tell me.

The rest I will bookmark for watching. ^_^ I've had several people recommend 07 Ghost on different forums, so that one's a priority.

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