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Muslims and free speech
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*** FACEPLAMS ***..., not here also.... *** sigh ***
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Going to need a bit more than this to know what you're trying to say.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


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All quotes you've posted from Quran, you don't know the context behind them. If law tells you to shot someone, then of course law is wrong. But if it says "IF someone tries to take you or your family's life, you can shot that person"... Now that changes everything. Same is the case here with these quotes.. My guess is you just googled and copy pasted them so you aren't aware about the context in which they are being spoken. Also for the women rights, Islam never said to treat them like cattle, rather it gave them equal footing as men in society where girls were buried alive and no one questioned that.

Religious debates can go on forever and they just promote more hatred between people if they don't have proper knowledge of each other's religion so I would request people not to drag it any furthur as it's already turning into flamming...


Oh, so the whole quote that says 'I will strike terror in their hears' or the one about beheading the non-believers, what secret, hidden context am I missing?


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At best, that data proves that extremism is more a function of region than religion. Without a direct comparison to other religions, it's impossible to assert that Islam is any worse than other religions.


Direct comparison? How about Islam being the most popular in those other regions, no other religion is even allowed, there's your comparison. Lmao even if the evidence was to slap you in the face the next day you would say 'Oh that was probably a dream I had....' or some other shit. This is my last post on the subject.


Here God is saying that he will strike terror in enemy's heart on battlefield. It was said when muslim were going into war against enemy that were lot bigger in number than muslims so as to console them that God will help them on battlefield. Also the other one was also said about war i.e. to behead non-believer enemies in war. I don't think muslims are the only one who kill enemies in wars O.o


IE: Crusades?

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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


staphen wrote:

At best, that data proves that extremism is more a function of region than religion. Without a direct comparison to other religions, it's impossible to assert that Islam is any worse than other religions.


Direct comparison? How about Islam being the most popular in those other regions, no other religion is even allowed, there's your comparison. Lmao even if the evidence was to slap you in the face the next day you would say 'Oh that was probably a dream I had....' or some other shit. This is my last post on the subject.


It's really not that complicated. Your assertion is, "In regions where other religions are outlawed, Islam brews XX% of extremists, which is a really high number in my opinion." However, the data you provided shows that in many regions, relatively small percentages of Muslims in that region exhibit behavior indicative of extremists. Neither the assertion nor the data are really relevant if you're trying to prove that Islam breeds more extremists than other religions.

Maybe I'm just numb, but I haven't noticed any evidence slapping me in the face here.
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staphen wrote:

It's really not that complicated. Your assertion is, "In regions where other religions are outlawed, Islam brews XX% of extremists, which is a really high number in my opinion." However, the data you provided shows that in many regions, relatively small percentages of Muslims in that region exhibit behavior indicative of extremists. Neither the assertion nor the data are really relevant if you're trying to prove that Islam breeds more extremists than other religions.

Maybe I'm just numb, but I haven't noticed any evidence slapping me in the face here.


It shouldn't even be all that surprising that the proportions are higher in those regions if militant radicals are in charge of the government and enforce their viewpoint on the general population (as was the case in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, for example). It's like saying "Holy shit, there's a lot of Stalinists in Stalin's USSR!" or "Wow! Look at all the Nazis in Hitler's Germany!" or "Whoa! Get a load of all the Kim Jong Un supporters in North Korea!"
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To the people that say no other religion harbours extremists, go and learn some history. To those that are actually trying to prove that Islam is not a hateful religion, I commend you.

Now here's my input. If the attacks were welcomed by both Al-Qaeda & ISIL, surely that tells you something? The vast majority of things i've seen on social media and news outlets etc. is that the vast majority of muslim people, whether they be living in a western country or somewhere like Saudi Arabia, have condemned the attacks. This speaks volumes. Many, many muslim communities across the world have said that extremists do not represent them or their faith. The Quran also expresses desires for peace, and it's these extremists who are taking specific passages from the Quran out of context and interpreting it as a sign that all non-muslim people should die and that Islam is the only true religion etc. that give muslims a bad name. I have not met a single muslim that I've had issues with because they were muslim. If I have had issues with them it's probably due to a whole host of different reasons, not because of what religion they believe in.

During the crusades christians were actively murdering muslim people just because they weren't christian. Some might say this is history repeating itself. There's a quote I know that rings quite true at this moment... "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." People haven't learned, and are therefore repeating it in modern times.
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This type of behavior is not exclusive to Islam. Even in the West, there are Christians who commit similar atrocities for similarly frivolous reasons.
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I think there is no justification for murdering people. any creed in the world promotes peace among people and that includes Islam. Extremist always will try to shut everyone's mouths with these sorts of acts, but in the end it is a demonstration how weak they are becoming and powerless, because the truth hurts and they hate when people tells the truth to them

I'm not against Islam, I'm against people who use god for their own selfish acts, like murder
Posted 1/7/15
There is no freedom in Islam. You conform or face execution.
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Peace, and hello to you all,

I would just like to jump in the conversation here. I am a muslim, born and raised. However, I was not always a religious muslim because I myself did not understand how a religion could justify this stuff? When I went to college I learned more about the religion under people who were more knowledgeable than I, and found out the truth.

The truth is, Islam is a religion of peace. The muslims who go around killing in the name of God are wrong. Muslims follow teachings from either our prophet Muhammad or the Qur'an. Neither of these sources tell us that we should go around killing people for no reason. There is no justification for it from the Qur'an or from the teachings of the prophet.

The problem that we are facing is that these muslims go to their local mosques where there are people who have learned the incorrect view of Islam, you may call it the extremist point of view, and they have brainwashed other people into believing their view is correct and is what Islam teaches. These people then follow their extremist leaders into disgusting acts. This is deviant from Islam. This is not what Islam teaches.

So please, I invite anyone to ask me any questions about Islam or our religion, any qur'an verse or teaching of our prophet Muhammad, and I would happily answer.

I am telling you that our religion does not prefer violence. It is not a religion of bloodshed. It is a religion of peace. And I am here to firmly stand by what I say and answer anyone who has any questions.

Thank you.

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Posted 1/7/15
Yes, before 9/11/01 it wasn't so widely regarded that the muslim religion was the proverbial "root of all evil", after all, 9/11 attacked the world's greatest superpower . All the fundamentalists did was harm their faith in a such a terrible, horrible way that cannott be repaired and smoke out their leaders and showcase them to the world (yea a good thing that), and their oppressive cause . While I am not a Muslim, I feel nothing but pity for the non-fundamentalist Muslims despite their differences in beliefs because the Sept 11 attacks were used as a platform for attacking a religion. So what's to prevent someone to using that to attack all religion as it is being done now today.
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I don't believe Muslims should be allowed free speech since they believe in a god.

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I don't believe Muslims should be allowed free speech since they believe in a god.



Probably the dumbest thing Ive read all day, hope your trolling hard.
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I'm too lazy to read all the comments. All I have to say is that it isn't any religion itself that harms society. Neither are the normal people who faithfully practice it because they truly believe in a greater being or beings in this universe. It's the extremists, those who take a set of beliefs that were originally meant for good and twist it into their own morbid doctrines, that ruin lives and society.

Just for the record, I'm agnostic if that matters at all.
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